Chris Matthews: New polling is a problem for Biden, and he'll have to overcome them

HAVE TO MAKE. >> STEVE KORNACKI, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET’S BRING IN FORMER MSNBC HOST CHRIS MATTHEWS. CHRIS, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THESE NUMBERS? >> THEY’RE A PROBLEM AND YOU HAVE TO OVERCOME THEM. I REMEMBER WHEN NIXON WAS FACING ED MUSKIE, HE HAD TO MAKE SOME CHANGES. HE MADE THE COUNTRY FEEL BETTER ABOUT THEMSELVES. HE’S GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHANGE. ONE THING HE CAN DO IS GET THE GOVERNORS. I’VE NOTICED THE GOVERNORS TAKE I’VE NOTICED THE GOVERNORS TAKE CREDIT FOR ALL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE OF INFRASTRUCTURE. BIDEN GOT THE BILL THROUGH. ALL THOSE

INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THE GOVERNORS ARE TAKING THE CREDIT. THEY’RE ALL DOING IT. I’M NOT GOING TO NAME THEM, BUT I’VE SEEN IT SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE NORTHEAST. THEY’RE TAKING THE CREDIT FOR WHAT HE’S DONE. HE’S GOT TO GET SOME OF THAT CREDIT FROM THE GOVERNORS AND THEY OUGHT TO PASS THE WORD, HEY, GIVE IT TO JOE HERE BECAUSE HE’S THE ONE GETTING THE ECONOMY GOING. >> CERTAINLY THEY’RE NOT FOR LOSS OF MATERIAL. THERE’S ABSOLUTE CONTRAST BETWEEN BIDEN AND TRUMP. YOU HAVE CHOICES VOTERS CAN MAKE THAT ARE VERY CLEAR BASED ON FACTS. THERE’S A HUGE

CONTRAST BETWEEN THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION’S ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS BY THE DEMOCRATS AS A RESULT AND REPUBLICANS. WE COULD DO FOUR HOURS. THERE WOULD NOT

BE TIME TO SPELL OUT THE CONTRASTS THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE MORE IN LINE WITH WHERE VOTERS ARE. ARE THESE POLL RESULTS PART OF A BIDEN PATTERN, NOT TO BE OVERREACTED TO WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE HE ENDS UP? >> I THINKT WAS IN THE “WALL STR JOURNAL” ON SATURDAY, THEY TALKED ABOUT HIS STRENGTH ON FOREIGN POLICY. HE HAS BEEN SO GOOD. HE HAS UNITED EUROPE IN THE UKRAINE BATTLE. HE HAS DONE

SOMETHING WE HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO DO IN DECADES. HE’S THE LEADER OF THE WORLD. I THINK HE COULD BE A LITTLE MORE TOUGH ON NETANYAHU, BUT I THINK HE’S MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION ON THE MIDDLE EAST. AND HE’S HAD TO DEAL WITH THE TAIWAN SITUATION. IT MAY BE THAT HE’S BEEN SO FORCEFUL ON FOREIGN POLICY THAT THAT’S ALL THE HEADLINES. IF YOU’RE 21 YEARS OLD AND YOU HAVE A COLLEGE LOAN AND YOU MAY NOT BE MAKING MONEY YET, YOU’RE LOOKING AT THE PRESIDENT ON FOREIGN POLICY. A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD SAY WHAT ABOUT MY

STUDENT LOANS, WHAT ABOUT MY SITUATION? THEY MIGHT BE SAYING I WANT MORE IMMEDIATE HELP. IT COULD BE HE’S GETTING A LOT OF HEADLINES ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY AND HIS POSITION ON NETANYAHU AND WHAT HE’S DOING AND PUSHING HIM TO A TWO-STATE SOLUTION AND TRYING TO KEEP UKRAINE SURVIVING AS A COUNTRY AND SAVING EUROPE FROM RUSSIA, THE WINNING OF WAR IN THE TAIWAN STRAITS. ALL THESE ARE GOOD THINGS, BUT THE HEADLINES MAKE HIM SEEM REMOTE, DISTANT FROM THEIR OWN ECONOMIC SITUATIONS. I’M JUST GUESSING. I THINK HE’S THINKING ABOUT UKRAINE A LOT. I THINK THAT PROBABLY GETS INTO

PEOPLE’S HEADS. >> SO THE WHITE HOUSE BELIEVES THAT THE PRESIDENT WILL GET CREDIT FOR TRYING ON STUDENT LOANS, BECAUSE MOST OF HIS EFFORTS HAVE BEEN BLOCKED BY THE COURTS. YOU’RE RIGHT. THAT’S A PIECE OF THIS. A LOT OF DEMOCRATS HAVE SOUNDED THE ALARM TO ME ABOUT THE ENTHUSIASM GAP. AND DONALD TRUMP FOR ALL OF HIS MANY FLAWS, HE DOES EXCITE THE REPUBLICAN BASE. WE KNOW HIS DIE-HARDS WILL BE OUT THERE NEXT NOVEMBER IF HE IS THE NOMINEE. THERE’S CONCERN IN SOME OF THE CORE PIECES OF THE DEMOCRATIC BASE, YOUNG VOTERS, VOTERS OF COLOR, NOT THAT

THEY WOULD BREAK FOR TRUMP, BUT THEY MIGHT JUST STAY HOME. THAT IN ITSELF WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE. HOW DOES BIDEN ADDRESS THAT ENTHUSIASM? >> THAT IS THE PROBLEM. LOOK AT PHILADELPHIA. WE TALK ABOUT PENNSYLVANIA. IT’S GOING TO BE THE KEYSTONE STATE NEXT YEAR. PHILADELPHIA TURNOUT IN 2022 WAS LOW. YOU CAN’T MAKE PEOPLE VOTE. YOU’VE GOT TO RALLY THEM. I THINK THAT IS A CHALLENGE IN THE CITY WHERE THEY’RE GOING TO GET THE GREAT DEMOCRATIC MAJORITIES AND THE SUBURBS. I THINK WOMEN ARE EXCITED BY THE FACT OF THE HORROR THEY’RE FACING OF THE PRESIDENT SAYING I

WANT WOMEN TO SUFFER OVER ABORTION DECISIONS. THAT’S A HORRIBLE THING TO SAY, BUT POLITICALLY IT’S HORRIBLE THAT YOU SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE VICTIM GROUP OF YOUR POLICIES. DONALD TRUMP IS THE ONE WHO GOT RID OF ROE V WADE. YOU GOT THOSE THREE JUDGES ON THE COURT. YOU’RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT ONE THING. YOU DID IT. I THINK THAT’S A CASE WHERE THE WOMEN AND THE MEN IN THE SUBURBS ARE GOING TO SAY, THIS GUY IS WRONG ON AN ISSUE THAT ALREADY MATTERS TO ME. >> BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT, I’D LOVE

TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE PASSING OF ROSLYN CARTER. THIS WOMAN SO SUBTLE, SO ELEGANT, SO GRACEFUL, SO PATIENT, AND YET SO EXTREMELY POWERFUL AND IMPACTFUL. >> I’VE BEEN LISTEN TO YOU THIS MORNING. YOU ARE AMAZING ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH HER AS SORT OF A MOTHER FIGURE. I’VE GOT A COUPLE OF MEMORIES THAT ARE VERY STRONG AS A SPEECH WRITER FOR PRESIDENT CARTER. WE GOT WORD IN SEATTLE 1:00 IN THE MORNING ON THE MORNING OF THE ELECTION. WE KNEW WE HAD LOST THE ELECTION. PRESIDENT CARTER GOT THE WORD, YOU’RE GOING TO LOSE BY TEN

POINTS, BECAUSE THE HOSTAGES THING IS KILLING YOU. CARTER SAID FIRST, THINK OF SOMETHING I SHOULD SAY IN THE MORNING WHEN I GET TO PLAINS TO VOTE WHEN I’M DOWN IN GEORGIA. AND THEN HE SAID, AND DON’T TELL ROSLYN. NOBODY IS TO TELL ROSALYNN THAT I LOST. WE FLEW INTO PLAINS, GEORGIA, I WAS LISTENING TO THE SECRET SERVICE GUY SAYING DANCERS ON THE GROUND. I THOUGHT, OH MY GOD, THE PRESIDENT HAS TO TELL HIS WIFE HE LOST. THEN LATER ON IN AN OLDIE POE IN PLAINS, GEORGIA, I LOOKED UP IN THE WINDOW. THERE THEY WERE, THE

TWO OF THEM IN THAT LITTLE ROOM IN THE TRAIN DEPOT, AND HE HAD TO TELL HER THEN. IT WAS A SAD MOMENT FOR THEM. HE WAS TRYING TO PROTECT HER. THEIR PARTNERSHIP WAS REAL, MIKA. YOU KNOW, IN THE BEGINNING, SHE DIDN’T WANT TO GIVE UP THAT LIFE IN THE MILITARY. HE WAS GOING TO BE AN ADMIRAL AT LEAST. HE WAS GOING TO BE A FLAG OFFICER OF THE HIGHEST RANK, PROBABLY BE IN PEARL HARBOR OR SOME INCREDIBLY GLAMOROUS PLACE. AND SHE DIDN’T WANT TO GIVE THAT UP. HE TOLD ME WHEN THEY WERE DRIVING DOWN FROM

SCHENECTADY TO PLAINS, WHEN HE DECIDED TO BECOME A POLITICIAN BASICALLY, SHE WOULDN’T TALK TO HIM IN THE CAR. IN FACT, SHE WOULD SAY TO ONE OF HER SONS, TELL YOUR FATHER THAT YOUR MOTHER HAS TO GO TO THE BATHROOM. IT WAS REALLY COLD. CARTER TOLD ME IT TOOK HER A YEAR TO GET OVER HIS DECISION TO GO BACK TO WHAT HE CALLED THIS DINKY TOWN OF PLAINS, GEORGIA. OF COURSE, WHEN HE STARTED TO WIN ELECTIONS, THE GOVERNORSHIP, THE PRESIDENCY, OF COURSE SHE PERKED UP. SHE CAME TO LOVE POLITICS. SHE ALSO CAME TO LOVE THE HAMMER

AND NAILS. I SAW HER IN TIJUANA, MEXICO, GOING HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. SHE WAS TOTALLY INTO IT. THEY WERE REAL PARTNERS. I DON’T THINK HE’S GOING TO MAKE IT VERY LONG AFTER WITHOUT HER. I THINK SHE WAS A HUGE PART OF HIS LIFE. THERE SHE IS WITH HER HAMMER DOING THE WOODWORK THERE TOGETHER. THEY ARE REAL PARTNERS. YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT THERE. >> YOU KNOW, WHEN HE WAS 3 YEARS OLD, I BELIEVE, HE MET HER WHEN SHE WAS BORN. SHE DOESN’T KNOW LIFE WITHOUT HIM AND HE BARELY KNOWS LIFE WITHOUT HER, A TRUE PARTNERSHIP, A

TRUE LOVE STORY. >> THEY SURE WERE. >> CHRIS MATTHEWS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I LOVE YOUR STORIES, MIKA. THEY’RE REAL. >> THANKS. >> BRZEZINSKI, THE GREAT MAN.