Cassidy Hutchinson Shares Experience At Trump White House Amid Jan. 6 Insurrection | The View
>> HIM SAYING, RUDY, WOULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT’S HAPPENING ON THE 6th? AND HE HAD RESPONDED TO ME TO THE EFFECT OF, WE’RE GOING TO THE CAPITOL. IT’S GOING TO BE GREAT. THE PRESIDENT’S GOING TO BE THERE. HE’S GOING TO LOOK POWERFUL. I HAD AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION WITH RUDY, MARK, SOUNDS LIKE WE’RE GOING TO GO TO THE CAPITOL. HE DIDN’T LOOK UP FROM HIS PHONE AND SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, THERE’S A LOT GOING ON, CASS, BUT I DON’T KNOW, THINGS MIGHT GET REAL, REAL BAD ON JANUARY 6th. >> Whoopi: THAT WAS CASSIDY HUTCHINSON. SHE
WAS JUST 25 WHEN SHE GAVE THAT TESTIMONY. SHE WENT FROM TRUMP AIDE TO STAR WITNESS FOR THE WHITE HOUSE JANUARY 6th SELECT COMMITTEE AND SHE HAS A NEW BOOK, AND IT IS CALLED “ENOUGH.” PLEASE WELCOME CASSIDY HUTCHINSON. WELCOME TO “THE VIEW.” >> Alyssa: CASSIDY, IT’S SO EXCITING TO HAVE YOU HERE. YOU’RE ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS AND IT’S JUST AN HONOR TO HAVE YOU. THAT TESTIMONY THAT WE JUST SAW MORE THAN 13 MILLION PEOPLE WATCHED THAT HEARING. YOUR LIVE TESTIMONY FROM THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE AND WHEN YOU WALKED OUT OF THE HEARING ROOM THAT DAY
YOU WERE DEALING WITH DEATH THREATS, SECURITY THREATS AND ESSENTIALLY WENT INTO HIDING FOR ABOUT A YEAR. YOU’RE ACTUALLY THE FIRST U UNELECTED OFFICIAL
OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW I WAS GOING TO TELL MY STORY AND TELL MY STORY EFFECTIVELY AND RESPONSIBLY, BECAUSE I HAD THIS EXPERIENCE WHERE I WAS ON THE INSIDE OF TRUMP WORLD AND I HAD THE EXPERIENCE OF SPLITTING FROM IT AND, AGAIN, VERY PUBLIC WAY BUT, YOU KNOW, WE’RE FACING THIS MOMENT RIGHT NOW WHERE I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT TO HAVE VOICES LIKE OURS AND SARAH MATTHEWS WHO TESTIFIED IN FRONT OF THE COMMITTEE WHO CAN SPEAK TO THE DANGERS OF DONALD TRUMP. SO, YOU KNOW, AND THIS PAST YEAR NOW WE HAVE THE BOOK AND, YEAH.
>> Joy: YOU KNOW, CASSIDY, I ADMIRE YOU SO MUCH. I WATCHED YOU AND YOU WERE VERY, VERY GOOD. YOU WERE AN HONEST AND BRAVE WOMAN IN THE MIDDLE OF LIARS AND CHEATS AND CRIMINALS AND YOU SPOKE OUT. GOOD FOR YOU. BUT, BUT THIS IS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT BOGGLES OUR MIND ABOUT HER AND YOU AND WHOEVER ELSE, STEPHANIE, THE REST OF YOU. FOR A LONG TIME YOU SAID YOU ADORED TRUMP AT ONE POINT. YOU ADORED HIM. >> UH-HUH. >> Joy: YOU WRITE THAT — YOU WROTE THE CHIEF OF STAFF MARK MEADOWS ASKED IF YOU’D TAKE A
BULLET FOR TRUMP AND YOU SAID YES, BUT IN THE LEG. >> IN THE LEG. >> Joy: I WOULDN’T EVEN TAKE IT IN THE LEG. >> I DIDN’T KNOW WHAT TO SAY IN THAT MOMENT. >> Joy: THAT HAPPENED AFTER JANUARY 6th. YOU EVEN REMAINED LOYAL TO HIM AFTER THAT. SO WHY? AND WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU THAT YOU CHANGED IT AROUND? >> SO, I GUESS TWO PARTS TO THAT. YOU KNOW, I DID WRITE THAT I HAD ADORED THE PRESIDENT AND STAND BY THAT IN THE PAST TENSE. BUT I THINK THAT THAT IS EMBLEMATIC OF HOW TENS OF
MILLIONS OF AMERICANS FEEL. I DON’T THINK THAT I’M THE ONLY PERSON THAT HAD THOSE FEELINGS OR HAS CURRENTLY SIMILAR FEELINGS TOWARDS HIM. HE HAS SUCH A STRONG FAN BASE. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE’S — WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE TO THOSE PEOPLE IF WE WANT TO OPEN THEIR EYES TO THE DANGERS OF DONALD TRUMP. NOW TO THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION, TO ACTUALLY RECONCILE THE SPLIT. >> Joy: YEAH. >> I HAVE BEEN OPEN ABOUT IT AND IN THE BOOK I THINK I’M CANDID ABOUT HOW I HAD THIS MORAL TUG-OF-WAR WHERE CANDIDLY THERE WAS
PART OF ME THAT WAS SCARED TO BE MORE PUBLIC. I WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE VERY PUBLIC ABOUT HOW I FELT ABOUT JANUARY 6th. I REMEMBER ON JANUARY 7th WATCHING ALYSSA ON TV AND SEEING SHE SPOKE OUT AGAINST THE NOW FORMER PRESIDENT AND IN THE BOOK TOO I TALK ABOUT THIS WHERE THAT WAS — IT WAS A PERSONAL, DIFFICULT MOMENT BECAUSE SHE WAS ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS IN THE ADMINISTRATION AND STILL TODAY AND PART OF ME WAS PROUD OF HER FOR WHAT SHE HAD DONE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME I FELT THAT, YOU KNOW,
THERE IS THIS UNSPOKEN CLOAK OF LOYALTY AND I DIDN’T UNDERSTAND AT THE TIME BUT THAT’S NOT NORMAL. IT’S NOT NORMAL TO HAVE TO FEEL LIKE — EVEN AS STAFFERS YOU DEVOTE YOUR LOYALTY TO THE PRINCIPLE, THE PRESIDENT. INSTEAD OF THE PRINCIPLE THAT YOU STAND FOR AND SWORE OUR OATH IN THIS TRANSFORMATION PERIOD I GIVE ALYSSA SO MUCH CREDIT BECAUSE I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO COME OUT NOW BUT SHE REALLY WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE THAT TOOK THAT STANCE. >> Joy: WERE YOU IN SOME KIND OF DENY ABOUT IT? I STILL DON’T GET
IT. HE WAS GRABBING WOMEN. YOU KNOW THAT. HE TALKED ABOUT JOHN McCAIN. HE DISSED THE GOLD STAR MILITARY PEOPLE. THERE WERE SO MANY THINGS ABOUT HIM. >> THERE WERE. >> Joy: JANUARY 6th DIDN’T EVEN TRIGGER IT. >> JANUARY 6th DID TRIGGER IT AND TO BE HONEST I DIDN’T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THE ADMINISTRATION DID BUT I DID BELIEVE THAT HIS POLICIES AND THE WAY THAT WE WOULD PASS POLICIES WITH CONGRESS WAS LARGELY BENEFICIAL AND I THINK THAT ANY PRESIDENT NEEDS A STAFF THAT SEES THE BIGGER PICTURE, THAT SEES WE’RE WORKING FOR THE COUNTRY. THERE WERE POLICIES
THAT WERE VILE AND POLICIES THAT SHOULD NEVER CONTINUE IF HE’S EVER PRESIDENT AGAIN, HE SHOULD NEVER BE PRESIDENT. >> Joy: GOD FORBID. POO-POO. >> Sunny: I READ YOUR BOOK. I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY FASCINATING. BUT WHAT WAS WEIRD — NOT WEIRD, AGAIN, BUT YOUR MOTHER IS CRYING, YOUR MOTHER WANTS YOU TO STOP THIS AFFILIATION WITH HIM. EVEN AFTER JANUARY 6th YOU’RE PACKING YOUR BAGS TO GO TO MAR-A-LAGO TO WORK WITH HIM. >> UH-HUH. >> Sunny: AND YOU SAY WHEN YOUR MOTHER — SHE DOESN’T REALIZE AND PAUL DOESN’T REALIZE HOW FAR GONE YOU ARE. YOUR TONE
IS FLAT. UNINFLECTED. YOU SAY I HAVE TO GO. I’VE ALREADY COMMITTED. I’M ALREADY COMMITTED. THE BOSS NEEDS GOOD PEOPLE AROUND HIM. THE ONLY REASON TODAY HAPPENED, JANUARY 6th IS BECAUSE WE LET BAD PEOPLE, CRAZY PEOPLE AROUND HIM — I NEED TO TRY TO FIX. SO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT WAS THE INTENTION BEHIND THIS? ARE WE TALKING OPPORTUNITY? ARE WE TALKING GUILT? WHAT WOULD MAKE YOU STILL GO TO MAR-A-LAGO? >> AFTER JANUARY 6th? >> Sunny: YEAH. >> THIS POINT OF THE BOOK WAS REALLY DIFFICULT FOR ME. >> Sunny: I COULD SEE THAT. >> MY — I
HAD A FAN TASS TAKE COLLABORATOR WHO WORKED WORE JOHN McCAIN FOR DECADES. I TRIED TO WRITE THE BOOK WITH INTENTION TO BRING THE READER INTO MY MINDSET AT THE TIME. >> Sunny: OKAY. >> FRANKLY, IT IS CONFUSING AND I WAS IN THIS CONFUSED FOG OF A DIVIDED LOYALTY BUT KNOWING WHAT I WANTED BUT NOT FEELING IN WER TO BREAK AWAY FROM THAT. SPECIFICS OF MOVING TO FLORIDA AFTER AND IN MY HINDSIGHT I REALIZE THIS IS NOT NORMAL — I SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THINKING LIKE THIS BUT DID GENUINELY PUT A LOT OF BLAME ON MYSELF,
ON THE PEOPLE THAT HAD SURROUNDED THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE I FELT THAT IT WAS OUR JOB TO ADVISE HIM, IT WAS OUR JOB TO STOP HIM FROM MAKING BAD DECISIONS. HE MADE THOSE DECISIONS BECAUSE HE HAD PEOPLE AROUND HIM ADVISING HIM TO DO SO. I NOW SEE THAT IT IS — THAT IS NOT THE CASE AT ALL. >> Sunny: HE MADE THOSE DECISIONS. >> HE MADE THOSE DECISIONS. HE’S A GROWN MAN AND MADE DECISIONS TO OVERRULE OUR DEMOCRATIC RULE OF LAW. >> Sunny: YES. >> AND IT IS NOT THE STAFF AROUND HIM SO LOOKING BACK UPON
REFLECTION I SHOULD NOT HAVE FELT THAT WAY. >> Sunny: OKAY. >> BUT I FELT THAT LOYALTY TO HIM STILL BECAUSE I WANTED HIM TO STILL BE SURROUNDED BY GOOD PEOPLE AND I THOUGHT I COULD BE A DECENT VOICE AROUND HIM. >> Whoopi: DID YOU NOT REALIZE YOU WERE IN A CULT? >> Sara: THAT SOUNDS LIKE — >> Whoopi: BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT — >> THAT’S WHAT IT FELT LIKE. >> Sara: HE HAS A POWER OVER PEOPLE. >> Alyssa: I DID AT ONE PERIOD. THERE WAS A PERIOD I ADORED HIM. I USED THE SAME WORD AND THERE’S
SOMETHING — >> Sunny: IS HE THAT CHARISMATIC EATING THOSE CHEESEBURGERS? >> Sara: LOOK AT CHURCH CULT LEADERS AND THE SLOW DEGRADATION OF TEARING DOWN THE INDIVIDUAL TO BUILD THE LEADER. IT HAPPENS. IT’S A MIND — THING. >> Joy: WERE THERE DADDY ISSUES? A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE DADDY ISSUES? MAYBE NOT HER BUT A LOT ARE FOLLOWING DADDY LIKE TELL ME WHAT TO DO, DADDY. >> I CAN’T SPEAK FOR OTHER PEOPLE BUT I WILL SAY, YES, HE IS CHARMING. HE HAS THAT PERSONALITY THAT CAN BRING YOU IN BUT IT’S MORE ABOUT THE
POWER OF DONALD TRUMP’S MOVEMENTS AND DONALD TRUMP WASN’T JUST BORN YESTERDAY. HE DIDN’T JUST APPEAR IN 2015. >> Joy: EVER SEE HIS MOVES? >> HIS DANCE MOVES. >> Sara: AS HIS AIDE IN THE WHITE HOUSE YOU WRITE THAT YOUR BOSS MARK MEADOWS TOLD YOU YOUR JOB WAS TO BE HIS EYES AND EARS AND YOU SAW A LOT, FROM TRUMP’S INFAMOUS FIND THE VOTES GEORGIA CALL, MARK MEADOWS BURNING DOCUMENTS TO THE POINT HIS CLOTHES SMELLED LIKE A SMOKE PIT. KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE — EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT, WHAT REPLAYS THE MOST? >> THERE’S A LOT FROM THAT PERIOD OF
TIME, NOVEMBER THROUGH JANUARY THAT REPLAYS IN MY MIND AND I THINK ALSO NATURALLY BECAUSE I’VE HAD TO RELIVE THAT PERIOD SO MANY TIMES AND CHOSEN TO BECAUSE I CHOSE TO WRITE THE BOOK. >> Alyssa: TESTIFIED IN FULTON COUNTY. >> BUT LIKE YOU SAID I WAS IN A POSITION TO KNOW AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF WHAT WAS GOING ON IN MARK’S LIFE, AND I WAS VERY CLOSE TO HIM. AND EVERYTHING ELSE ASIDE, I HAVE THIS VIVID PICTURE IN MY MIND OF MARK ON JANUARY 6th ON HIS COUCH IN A CATATONIC STATE SCROLLING THROUGH HIS PHONE AND I
DIDN’T KNOW IF IT WAS BECAUSE HE DIDN’T KNOW WHAT TO DO, IF HE FELT THAT HE WAS COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL, I DON’T KNOW THE PSYCHE BEHIND THAT. BUT IT WAS ALARMING AND DISTURBING FOR ME BECAUSE I WAS OVER HERE TRYING TO MAKE THE CALLS, TRYING TO ANSWER THE CALLS THAT I KNEW PEOPLE WEREN’T ANSWERING. I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON BECAUSE THE CAPITOL WAS UNDER SIEGE. YOU KNOW, SO I SEE THIS MAN THAT I WORKED FOR AND WE HAVE DISAGREEMENTS THROUGHOUT OUR TENURE BUT I THINK THAT’S WHAT MADE US AN
EFFECTIVE TEAM BUT SEEING HIM IN THAT STATE, IT HURTS ME TO LOOK BACK ON THAT BUT IT’S ALSO A SORT — >> Joy: WAS HE STUNNED AT WHAT WAS HAPPENING? IN SHOCK? COULDN’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT APPARENTLY. >> RIGHT. >> Joy: THIS TRUMP HAS A MIND OF HIS OWN. HE DOES WHAT HE WANTS. >> Sunny: OTHER THAN MAYBE BURNING DOCUMENTS AND SMELLING LIKE A SMOKE PIT. >> Joy: WHO, MARK MEADOW
