Everglades Technical Oversight (TOC) Committee – September 21, 2023
♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ Okay. Good morning, everyone. I think we have most everyone here for today’s Everglades Technical Oversight Committee. So we appreciate you joining us. I’m to leave Iraq with the South Florida Water Management District. We, of course, have housekeeping sff. I need to go over.And out. Do some of that and then we’ll go around and introduce the folks who are here in the room and or panelists as we call them zoom so that you guys all have places you can recognize so as most of you know, because many of you
are here on zoom, this is a hybrid meeting. So we’ll be. Having you here on zoom. And then also we have several folks here in the auditorium. always glad have compan here ithe auditorium. For those of you who are on the phone please or even your computer for that matter. Please mute yourself when you’re not speaking. If you’re using a phone, you want to reduce the volume on your computer to 0, so you can avoid your feedback. And you should try the best you can to listen from either your computer, your phone, but not Many
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the agenda items or general comments will take those at the end of the meeting. Okay. We do have that on the agenda for FOX. It in.You can make your public comments using zoom and if someone in the audience wishes to make a public comment in person, we can entertain that as well. We don’t typically entertain written public comment here unless you are actually re percent. For piece to use the raise hand feature, if you can. I realize it may a little unwieldy to do that. If you want to speak. Are responding to chat messages. If
you are on zoom, only use the chat if you’re having some technical difficulties, otherwise use the public comment periods and let U.S. call on you. We don’t always are normally are respond to comments during the meeting. But we do. Keep track of those and try get those questions answered. Okay. So let’s introduce the TRC wraps to leave Iraq if you And Smith D P. Maury Miller with U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Loxahatchee Refuge. A lot of us around Everglades National Park. >> And then on Zoom. >> Good Morning, Julie. This is Dan Crawford with the
Corps Engineers. >> Thank you very Mister Could you please introduce yourself to our larger group? >> Yes, is John Mark. serve as the court appointed specl master. >> Thank you, sir. also would like to have those who are on zoom as participants. Introduce yourselves, especially if you think you might speak during the meeting and probably not a participant you think you might speak. Let us know your name and your agency. And if you’re a consultant for one of the agencies, I also would like you to introduce yourself. So We could go through get my lift
up to the top here. Maybe start with Charles. I’m just kind look and alphabetically here. If you guys don’t mind say who you are and where you work. >> trust the Monaco outside counsel Florida Department of Environmental Protection. Thank you, >> Matt actually tell Chief Counsel’s Office Corps of Engineers. >> Thank you, Brooks. Folks, more Corps of Engineers, Jacksonville District Office, the council. Thank you. The other Dan. Doing is the be it. And we’ve got delayed. ♪ >> nation a national vote. >> Thank you very much, Eric Weaving through a mic. Check with you earlier.
But want to just introduce yourself, please. ♪ >> Derek Stepan on National Park Service. Thank you, sir. my word my James Riley. I assume he’s not the one from our it department do want to say hello. >> Jim Reilly core. >> Thank Jordan. >> Gordon Tdu, Florida Department of Environmental Protection. ♪ If I already got it twice, please forgive me. you want to say hello. >> Good morning. is calling from United States Department of Justice. >> Thank >> Miley >> Good morning, minding something along a little bit. really an environmental protection. Thank you so much.
Melody. do not national Park. none. It is here on zoom. >> direct South Florida water management district. >> And I’ve forgotten, Rachel. I think user court reporter. Yes, I am. All right. Great. Thanyou for being here. I think I got that I can’t forgot me. Who did I forget It’s Kenny came in. >> Florida peace officers, >> was Danny, thank you for piping up. I wish I had little video of my screen where the names are all going back and forth by a I I would never forget. You All right. Great. Well, thank you all
for introducing yourselves and we will get started on the busine at hand. The first thing I now want to do is take a look at the items that are on the Web page so that you all are aware we do have on the website and today I’m actually going to website. So on our main technical Oversight Committee Web page, we do have data tables for the 3 areas of interest. For the 1st quarter of 2023, which is what we’re presenting today. We have the actual settlement agreement report. The quality assessment report for the water quality
data as well as the data file itself. ♪ If you’re following along, we have read ahead. So those are also posted agenda item. Number 2, the 1st quarter settlement agreement report presentation that healthy will give. We have agenda item number 3, which is a stark reversal, Lou. What areour 22 water can pull water, quality compliance evaluation. That to will be presenting. And we also have the draft meeting notes from our last meeting which was in June. And I do want to know a couple of things. If you. Download it to not presentation. Late last week
he sent us a revised version. So there’s a couple of slides that were biased. And I just want you to be aware that Casey didn’t look again and then also for everybody’s information because you’re going to wonder why it’s so easy. We do our best to send draft meeting. Note out to the reps ahead of time to give them a chance to look at those. So all those items are posted out on our Web page. And for those of you who are on zoom. You can if you don’t already have them, you can navigate on
over there take a look at All right. Back to the official agenda. Does anybody have any agenda, modifications for today? They’re not those that are here shaking his head. None from deep. He thank you. Okay. So we don’t have any addenda modifications that I can tell here. Next is the meeting summary which we mentioned posted on the Web pH. Do we have comments? On the meeting notes or a motion to approve them. >> This not motion to approve the notes as they are. This is Ed Smith DPi second, that motion. >> Thank you so much.
Anybody oppose. know you’re not because I saw you guys e-mail earlier today, but I just put it on the record. Alright, that’s really great. Thank you so much. All right. Our next order of business is to provide everyone with the. 1st quarter of calendar 2023 data that would be Chelsea. Please come on up to the podium and do your presentation for us. Thank you. good morning. Takes And Mister Bucket. Thank you for having me to present the settlement between reportsor the first quote er 2023. >> So we have monthly updates for individual months of January,
February, March for the refuge. And the 12 month tracking ending in January February, March from shock restore into one coastal basins. So shut new under coastal basins because the compliance is it fun. A water year basis ending. cumber. So the 1st quarter MS half way through the water 2023. So that month tracking data results include data. Half of what are your 2022? and half of or to give 2023. So starting from this summary table. So this top section as for the refugees. So January February, March. The Observer, the geometric mean keep he concentrations in the
marsh. I’m showing in this second column. We’ll consistently below there was active long-term levels next to it. And this levels were cat could based on the marsh state. And showing this column. So the Marsh state has decreased. And we collect for a team 14. 31 Sam posting these months. So in the middle section here covering shock Lou. So pull for that. ending in January, Feb March. The total flow. Are still very high. All can say Substance. Stan Extremely high in terms opinions take. We sing. Flow range. So the flowing upper limit is a one point
’06, many acre feet. So you can see the flow are about the upper limit. And which result of the game. The long term limit being pushed to the bottom of the opinion, creation. 7.6 parts per being. So we have extremely high flow. An extreme need loan limit. And the flowing into peak concentration. Exceeded the long limits. The person sampling events greater than 10 parts per billion. Atill higher the guideli. In the bottom section for Tate, a slew coastal basins. And that flow. We need to peak concentration and being in general Feb to March. We’re 5.1
parts per building a much lower than long-term them 11 parts per >> And this slide is for the referee. So it the past 3 years mply status, the refugeSo here this propose she did a background represent the month of the marsh state. And this red line represents the long-term levels calculated based on the marsh state. And this is the target that we need to meet. this blue dots representing the monthly observer, the geometric keep concentration need to below this target. The red line. And here 2 red dots represent So we had a one excursion. We
have one excursion in June 2022. Another exclusion, 20 month period. So the 36 month average, you me GP consultation 6.9 parts per Manning. About 2.4 pets per bm. know that on levels. And this slide show same information. So on this summary table talk about these top 3 month in the regular reporting. So the preeminent data, so the it’s fine month outlook still good. Just want to remind you that. Since our last excursion June 2022, we didn’t have another rents rule until may. Basically we are all rated out health. The Daniels spirit of potential exceedance. No
way. All look good. on to shut through For the 12 month period and ingenue Feb to March total are extremely high above. penny question flow range. Up above the upper limit of the range. as I said, it pushed down the long term limit to the bottom of a pin see equation. 7.6 parts the inning. now with these high flow and no limit the flowing into peak concentration exceeded for the long For the historical compliance status this red line represents the ng term limit and those blue represent the annu flow way didn’t mean tpeak concentrations. And
last 3 action bars the most recent 3 years using meth of the 1.5. So we met comply saying what of 2020, then we had a exceedance in what of 2021 2022. And this sly this place, the 80 flow, this charge that into shock through snow. Here. red represent the flow and as sweet 3 for and to south date. So he I want to clarify a question to Lebanon to not ask during the last to presentation about what’s next So the net flow above that. This line. Excluding, 3, 3 full flow. Because as street threefold past
the flow to South State that we go to the shop for a missile. So at’s why when we talk about low, that means as 12th plus as 3, 3, s wreath recently N as 55 a and B. 3.56. portion of from history. 3, 5, Excluding has 3, 3, 4, hope this can classify this net flow. What I mean and this net flow it’s used to calculate the annual flow evening. Keep concentration full compliance purpose. And this slide. This place, the flow at to discharge into Western should prove us through 12, ABC D from a top
of the body. Thank you can see that in this. coroner has be a close. November 1st. And as 12 C had a minimal discharge, then. As 12 has continuous. You And this slide shows. Flow discharging into north each shot a slew. In the L 29 canal between 3, 3, 3 and has 3, 4, So in this segment now you see the skills that 95% of Flo come from as 3, 3, in History Street. This slide shows actually the same net flow concept. See here, the red lines for the flows and 3, 4, so above this
red line, he’s the net flow that this chart into northeast shocker of us through. So this slide. Shows biweekly flow indies bars t here. And the Scion Dots. Representing the phosphorus level. So these here, the flow, these are net for all. So these bye week to flow and TP concentrations. So the basis when we calculate that well month and you for that, we do mean concentration all 12 month tracking. So with by, we can flow and TP so total. You have a 26 samples. Then you come pause and together. Taco date the 12 month for
that. We concentration. d being in the 2 months. So it’s just moving forward each 12 month. And here. This ad this Lou Diamond screen time. And this is 12 month tracking float up concentration ending in a month. So here the last time and is 12 months and we’re reporting 9.7 parts per And you can see background, this sign flow to concentration the Torah. Biweekly and they are increasing in this quarter. And this slide shows that Deuce you 3 a and a sharp inflow system conditions. So here we have a W 3 state. In this solid.
But online on the pop. So on the puppies are state. line mtress. We had what state then we have tp concentrations in the middle. Showing those yellow. That’s where they’re shopping in. Float up concentrations. Then we have the Shark River slew inflow at the bottom in this blue shaded area. So this covers 3 years in the 1st quarter on July. Then with a few months of outlook all the through and of Alex. So here we the impact of Hurricane Ian. That’s right before the stocking of what of 2023. So the hurricane Brent brought rainfall push
the stage into zone. A you see here SOT of blue line about this gray dashed line. And this. You see TP concentration high stage with a push 6, 7, 8 parts per building also. You sendlso flow to show progress through. the system dried up stage gets lower than peak concentration increases. So this. A state ETP relationship. Then as the wet season coming, we see Rental increases. And this stadium push into don’t pay again. Then keeps concentration. Also decreased. Now, move on to take us one coastal basins. So for the month ending in General Feb or
March. The flow up concentration a stated 5.1 parts per building. Much the work. 11. That’s preventing them. For the historic compliance. Same thing. The these blue boxes represent the annual flow. We need tp concentration and last we had to the representin The flowing in consultation base, a massive 3. So there are a 5 then showing its red line. And this slide this place, inflow to tennis when Coastal basin saying the past 3 years. I’m here from the top to the bottom. This yellow shaded areas for 18 C. And this G 7.37. ruff as street. 3,,
D. And the bottom this neon green. I represent 3.28, can also see the impact ups. I’m hurting. Yeah. Right October first, Hurricane arrived under. Flow, reach the maximum. Since flow has been decreasing. So most of the flow. Came from as they can see and 3, 3, 2, pumping. This slide. This place, the flow at each individual structures. So again, from top as 18 C 7.37. As 3, 3, 2, D 3.28. as 7.37 history, 20 this quarter. There’s some type of Kia. fix it. We post after meeting. So you can see that as teen see it
march the discontinue. But as Sri Sri 2 D still pumping. And this slide shows that data flows and out of free d flowing. here flow store, says the from as Street 2, D pump shown purple color. And then portion of the pump with the flow over to. Carried by 3, 3, 2, TX. One here showing this too, moving to the industries, moved to see one over North detention basin. So all need the flow above this red lines come to for compliance purpose. Then this the portion of pomp, the flow downstream to take through this tweet
28 so shown this and younger in And those that this events flow in blue bar called up bars and the TP levels and the sign dots. you can see that you in this year, all that up concentrations below 7 parts per And some of the concept that tracking flu, we need to peak concentration showing in this. Diamond strain and the last time an it’s the 5.1 parts Pub number. reporting. 04:00AM the 12 months ending in March. That’s all I have. Thank you. You have any questions for him. Thank you. Tell anybody have questions or comments
for Healthy. I This is Lori with the refuge. >> Chelsea, great job as always on slide 14. >> Can you remind me again what goes into the outlook? Are you basing it on the position and Alice’s and were you getting the phosphorus? Limits from that makes sense. He said the for the for the outlook portion. A look ahead portion. Look, I have for him. Okay. >> on this slide shows all the way till and All stops 23rd us obesity. We see. >> love the month What do you have? 2023. The total flow is almost appendix
E creation, limit close to 2, one point you say, ’06, many her feet. So the limit is 7.7 parts per building. For the winning concentrations 9 parts preventing we’re looking forward to another exceedance. You. OK? Thank you. There >> We realized the timing of the reporting tends to signal a little bit scared, but this is water quality data that we do have available. So thanks. >> Yes, and thank you. I was confused about the months. So. I answered my own question. But thank you, E. >> Okay. There’s someone else that have that same question. I’m
sure of it. Does anyone have anything else for Chelsea? >> This is John Market. I have one question again. Thank you for the presentation. It’s always so informative and you do a very nice job. It showed provisional data for refuge for several months going into August. You didn’t show provisional dataShark River Slew. that because you don’t have it? Or is there some other reason why the provisional data was and Sean? >> I presenting this at Korda won 1st quarter of 2023 reporting. Then the other day to have finalized and went through the qeii, process. >>
We do have the data just need to go through this Q A to see you process. presented them as Prelim and data for the rescue. But for shocker, Russell, we called Provisional data. >> Because the 12 flow we’re using the data come from USGS, a USGS, a warm finalize that data till a few months later. Do you remember we always wait till October at April to report that the annual float is so 6 months later, some that many times, Anderson data gaps. And . Can a field that day. How we just we’ll have to wait
the USGS to finalize that data. hope this answer Quest. >> It does. Thank you. So you’re you’re you’re blaming USGS least. We have someone to blame. >> think Mister your question relates back to lorries question on slide 14 where we are showing. The provisional data that is available is just, you know, there’s questions obviously on the flow data portion. >> This is 50 I’m Chelsea. Thank you so much for the presentation as all always. It’s it’s a very informative I like to see the date. it’s it’s always clean and nice. So thank you for that.
But one thing just want to say is, you know, looking at the flows, looking at slide 14 again. It looks like I mean, we’re seeing pretty good flows into pretty substantial inconsistent flows into Shark River slew. And think that’s a go news We should all you know, very proud of the work that’s been done by everybody to get to this point to get the flows. You know, we would love to see those, you TP concentrations coming down. Certainly but if you a question and I don’t know who can answer it, that I was just curious
how each of those water years compared to the trail flow formula. Are we? Are we hitting that target a note and if you can, Crawford, if you can answer that question or not or are we making it there or do we need still do improvements? >> So add this is Dan Crawford Corps of Engineers. I mean, Tamiami flow formula as a reminder, it’s it’s a it’s a function of upstream, water levels and rainfall conditions. So it’s a variable target. Any time or below that. Top of the regulation schedule for conservation area. 3, a we are
following that. trail flow formula. Our gut. I think we have found that were pretty consistent able to deliver what the target forecast is what we’re able to deliver on our water management operations except for when water levels and get really low, where we’re limited by the ability of the gravity outlet structures, trucks that deliver that. Plus, we did see some of that that that really load it. >> On slide 14 back in 2022. But for 2023, we were pretty much on target for delivering all those flows. And of course, once we get above the top
of schedule, we don’t follow the Tamiami trail flow formula. The goal is to manager prevent high water condition conservation area. 3, a open. All the gates that are available to be opened that are not subject to any kind of balance strike. And can read. That’s it. Thanks. Appreciate it. >> And this Bill >> Could You were not lard. And when we started the meeting, if you could please introduce yourself and your role here, that would be very helpful. >> Yeah. Bill Walker consultant to the Department of Interior. couple of on what Dan just talked about.
flow formula. But there’s another formula that was developed under Coppin had to do with water quality. And now we’re going to be my question is how the flow compared with. Formula indicated. >> Is there anyone here who could respond to that? >> Yeah, I have but yeah. >> I you know, another comment on the flow formula. I mean, obvious. That a lot more flows being delivered to north. sharper was slow understand that with pension of the hydrologic restoration. It looks like, you know, the distribution is so different. the conditions that historical data we had to
calibrate that water quity formula. you it probably with outside of the calibration range, but it certainly part of it outside. So it just, you know, I think I mentioned this one meeting before and that that. That water quality formula need another look. The you know, whether whether that it needs to be revised and using more recent data. >> They >> when you’re talking about a water quality for you, you’re talking about the I integration. >> Well, whether to comply the cop captive management >> the it out there. We have meant. Okay. Great. Thank you. appreciate
that because I and not as intimately familiar with cop and I I wasn’t fully aware there was me ter quality equation, although I do know there’s an adaptive management component. So all right, thank you. >> that’s driven by agent and the gradient age from north >> and I think the >> rate of increase 3.33. haven’t heard much too much about that. been working on things. But that’s separate look at that or as I know. >> Okay. Thank you. You know, to I don’t know have anything you want to add here. >> I think I mean,
I think. >> Assumptions from cop cop out of the water quality formula developer cop assume that we would consider continue to see a >> downward trend in some of the conservation area. 3, a nutrient levels. I don’t think we >> that in the actual empirical data. And I think that certainly the analysis that was done did not expect that we we would be seeing exceedances out to 80% clip. >> Like we have for the 5 years. looking for, including this next year. So I I agree with you, Bill. I think there’s a there could be
a real look at that those equations were in partnership with the National Park Service. Certainly we consider whether that data could be re looked at as part of the current operational planning study that the Corps has initiated starting in April of this year Mister Bradshaw provided an overview of the last early evening. >> Yeah, you know that one didn’t there would be a downward trend just look that historical data. I guess. Right? I think that, you know, that’s all on. Why haven’t The other minor question. I had a slide on Taylor’s saloon, Coastal Basin. Indicated
that you’re using weekly compliant samples think maybe that was a typo. But truckers slow uses biweekly. What are you >> Actually, Bill, might have point that we have been discussing a little bit and my own group. You may recall some many, many, many years ago. There was an agreement actually do water quality monitoring every week at many of the structures and for Shark River Slew. The structures are all collected on the same day and the biweekly data is used. because of staffing and travel time and all those other issues be do not necessarily collect Taylor’s
Lou coastal basin data all on the same day. d you’re correct. I has been using all the weekly data and we do you recognize we really don’t have to do that. But that’s what’s happening. And personally, I’d like to consider trying to find a way to accurately use biweekly instead of weekly. But your observation is correct. >> Well, I mean, if you’re using the weekly, what? Who killed a slew, I don’t. Why? Why not use the week Shark River Slew? I me, that’s with the problem. It would improve the accuracy. Of the tracking. >> I
understand that. And vaguely recall from some years ago we had some. legal discussions about that. So we’re going to stick with biweekly data for Shark River’s flow. >> Well, maybe they should have the when you do questions again, because you’ve got a compliance problem and anything that would include the actors, you know, you basifor making. >> Okay. thank you for your Okay. All right. Anybody have anything for Chelsea, anything else? Okay. We will move on to our next presentation. And thank you, Chelsea. And a reminder for those of you who are calling and if you
could, please mute yourself when you’re not speaking. That would be great. And I’d like to introduce to not do so right from the park. And he’s going to discuss what are your 22 compliance evaluations that he’s been working on? >> Good learning. You can hear me. To thank you for that. Presentation was definitely a and straightforward and very clear. Appreciate >> I’m going to really quickly through our water quality evaluation for the exceedance. What are your >> It’s not going to be very different from what you saw last year. And so definitely incorporated a lot
of the comments that are received last year this presentation. So try to keep it brief. Focusing on 2 aspects of of of concerns drivers basically look at every drivers and local drers. We’ll be thinking about the regional drivers. Miami and can now is continue to deliver elevated total phosphorus levels towards the park when a celebrated. I’m speaking with respect to. The protective level for the park we recognize it is about a part per billion. Total to me. Concentrations are increasing as inputs to the western boundary of conservation area. 3, a looking at that as one
14 has one 90. And I say that in a moment. And then we continue utilize rsm Eileen information that comes out to give us an indication of the direction. Now litija flows in conservation area 3 a and then towards Taylor. I’m sorry to a Shark River And we see that we look at the eastern portion of those waters tend to follow the 67 a canal and ultimately terminate down at The 33 and has 12 area. The flows coming in from the northwestern portion of Conservation area. 3, a show you again. And this is provided for
modeling that it ten to move dirtly down towards thisQuote, bnc structures. And the flows coming off a big Cypress national preserve into the western boundary of conservation area. 3 tend follow that Western boundary towards S 12, a and this year looking at the local drivers we’re still considering waters are be that being delivered below 9.2 feet and year we’re looking we’ve got a little bit higher than we did last year. So from the total flows for the year as the 33 was delivering, 53% of flow below 9.2 feet. 55% of their fellow occurred that the
33 north and then 54%. When you combine St 33 in the 3.33, north, provide the flow of ions this year because you guys asked about that last times. I’ve incorporated that into this presentation. You can see those here. And then the we go below 9.2 feet. The higher concentrations tend to go demonstrate that as well. So here we So he’in here are 3, a and we’re looking at the dry, see the dry year coming out are some simulations. And what you guys see following these dense Flo, the actors along this map, you can see that
they tracked the Some of that water goes into if you can in closer. But this is the clothes. I can zoom with this system. But you can see they go into this. continue south towards this. The 33 and they follow on can now in the marsh down to 12, the UN as the 30 threes. We get water injected hear from the northwestern portion of conservation area 3, a and that water moves straight down towards bnc structures through the marsh. See that. We get water injected over here from the western portion based on the simulation here,
you can see a vector showing that we get flow moving the way down as 12. And if you just move over to that average distribution, that those patterns get more defined. And then during the wet season, they beme even I mean, what use they become even more defined. ♪ So again, this is the region scale that we’re looking at. So we’re looking at concentrations and this is the to mean concentrations for the water year. 2022. And I had the luxury of speaking with the district in the background prior to this meeting verify my numbers. at
all of the numbers here, except for us one 40 and coming up around 20,000 acre feet, short of flows at were report by the district. I am able to match this 80 and I think they had 82 parts per billion sitting at 81 parts per billion. But for the rest of the flows am I’m able to match what they are producing using my model. And we can still see the higher concentrations are coming in over here from one, 90 sitting at 119 parts per billion this year as one 40’s around 81 82 parts per billion
is reported by the district. As 8 this year was coming in at 23 parts r billion. And do want to note the water year. Here October through September and the state water year of May through April. So reported here is 23 parts per billion coming in for has 8 come over here out of conservation area. concentrations are a lot lower. And then down here it is We’re sitting slightly less than a part per billion. Some looking good there. And then these 2 are just S 11, B and C were just slightly above a part of
the end. That’s when 50 has been big player recently with the recirculation. The water coming from 3, conservation area 2 and going through and then be entranced port around up here in the northern boundary to be released a lot of his hitting North West conservation area. 3. So it’s been a bigger player this year and you can see it as 50 is delivering around 14 parts per billion this year. So it started in the march here. nine’s are delivering 2021 parts per billion 17 parts per billio What are 2022? So we’re still concentrations of water
that are being delivered above the levels that we identified as protective even above the 10 parts per billion for Everglades as a whole. And when we get down here to the intros addition to Shark River slew, you can see as there 15 parts per billion this year. Slightly lower at a play to part with as 12 BC drive down to less. a person a 7 point And then we can see the was 9 point for the 3.30, threes were 16 14 parts per billion this year. We look at trends over time. We have adapted to
comments from the Navy last year where we are now using the U.S. T S Kindle season Kendall package to evaluate our trans using but the concentrations to evaluate change over time. are still seeing a pattern of increased over here on the West side coming from this one, 90 the 43 34 and the S 12 a do see some good signs. And this continues to be from what we saw last year. as one 50 are showing improvements are declining craft concentrations there. Well, the other station seem to be holding steady. So that’s sitting over to our
local drivers and so I presented this last year in 2021, we were closer to 40% of the flows being delivered below 9.2 feet. So we’re just adding another year where we’re deliveringhigh levels of water below this 9.2 foot stage again this year. We’re looking looking at that the 30 threes combined. We’re looking at 54% of those flows. delivered below 9.92 stage threshold. And just to remind you, we did have high event of sending waters at this this level before, but this was a year when we were actually able to divert water around a northeast Shark
River slew and send their water down the So these flows actually just didn’t count and complaints, which is why we didn’t have a vaccine. Is that you’re did add another year of to me, moderate rain, which gives us an evaluation of the directionality of flows in the 29 come We did that for the but yeah, I know that the flows this go South. And some that presenting of interest is the directionality of flows from 29. so and this figure we have 2 y the primary, we have water speed that I don’t want to really focus
on those rates. We’re really using them just to indicate direction they’re going. So when those rates go below 0 there headed towardthis 12, when they’re above 0, they’re headed a or that the 33 structure. And the secondary why access we have flows. And we’ve done here is combine as 12 C and as well. And that’s the represented by the blue dashed lines. And then the or orange. Dashed lines represent sayshe 33 of 33 north combined and and many of these configurations of flow are for the most part, seeing water hd west and the L 29
can out towards this 12 structures and this most year of data. This continues to support same finding. Looking at the response to the system take a look at totals. Suspended solids. These figures here, each one of represent this. The 33 P 33 nor structure they’re going to be I was black and green. Just for comparison. Some the individual stations as 12, A and B in this tablet parallel represented by blue or Red. And Jerry, at these low stages where scene data being collected because we do have flows normally occurring through this 12, a and B.
But you can see that this the 33, both of them have substantial So this has been the size of the water column, particularly when the water levels have dropped to come really love. So that is evident here. And there. at this. See, we did get slightly above the minimum, the Texan limits. so just these blue that you see most of these are embryos and it seems like Indio switches between 3 and 4 milligrams per liter. sure why it switches like that. But that’s how the data report But you can see here we did have one
event during these flow that so that we had some. Total suspended solids kicked up into the water column at this 12 C. 3.56, similar story. Most of the time we’re here in B And that’s where 52. I just didn’t find the data report. It. This year added this in this 09:00AM. this bottom right Last year we had that the 50 but still in this case, we don’t collect total suspended solids. But I presented here so we can set up the next flight. So here know, representing our total phosphorus concentrations and same basic layout is the
previous light. A little go through that you can see the 33 structure has kept out this year to around 38 parts per billion. And these are concentrations whenhe ructures are flowing right there that flow it. mean, there’s nothing magic about here is just straight concentrations only when they’re flowing. And the green here is representing 3.33 north and this one hit around parts per billion. And we just didn’t have flows for this NBA. Like I said a moment ago. Look at as 12 and this year. We do see that as 12 D. >> Certainly slight sigh
of 38 at this. The 33 sitting around 30 parts have been at highest value. 12 was just shy of the high-value. This the 33 north sitting around 27 or 26 parts per billion. And 3.56. Did go up. Unlike previous years, it did go up during these low stage periods. And this year is we’re looking at U.S. 19, the spot, right? Hello. >> And you can see that the S 9 structure anexceeded the value that we cite the 33 north it was decide what we saw at the U.S.. The 33. d then the S 9 structures
similar increased above that. The 33 north for its maximum value. do want to draw your attention you know, the flows. They continue through much of the year from nines. And you can see those concentration are sitting well levels that we’re seeing that that the 30 threes. When we look at the contribution of individual for loads and ultimately how they would contribute to our to calculations or compliance. Look at this period from what are your 2006 to 2021 and then coare that to the water year 2022. What we’re seeing is that the 30 threes and continue
to be a higher contributor they experiencing and a longer duration prior to. These last few years. This is similar. What I saw last year in 2021 and then the S 12 C and D are both significantly below what they were for longer duration far as their contributions to complaints calculations. We look at the magnite of concentrations, I’m sorry. When we look at the concentrations and had the dynamics that are currently the state is below 9.2 feet and we continue to drop below that 9.2 foot state. The further we go below that stage, the higher concentrations
are going response to the coming last year, we have incorporated the 9 parametric approach to looking at the correlations here. And you can see that our correlation by here is point negative 0.7, 3 and the Kindle Towers. The negative 0, 5, 5, And this is where the water year 2006 through 2022 looking at water. 22 got a little tighter. And so we can see those correlation. Values increased. We respect to spare him we went up to plate 7 can that I went up 2.7 million. So concludes that we’re still seeing concerns coming in from the
Miami can now on this 9 structures far as concentrations go being higher than the protective levels. We are still seeing increasing concentrations, particularly on the western side of conservation area. 3,he inputs to the western side. And then we have those full of actors that are still showing that dynamics and have flows are moving stationary 3 and reaching Shark River slew. Locally. We decide to let more water this year past few of of that total flow for the year and just was a lot more delivery below 9.2 foot. And we’re no longer drowned in that water
at the Shark River slew. So all of that water is actually been incorporated into compliance and obviously with those higher concentrations incorporated, it is helping produce those higher concentrations exceeding the limits. contributors to the loads they were evaluating continue to be this. The 33 dominating and this And so basically our concern right now is the lower states deliveries. And as you I know, we’re trying to figure out how to man is through as the 33 working group. And that was my last slide. So I would take questions and comments. >> Do Thank you so First
of all, I appreciate the fact that too basically have updated some information since last year. I think that’s very helpful. And I do also want to recognize I know you working with there are coordinating with staff that the district and I know you also did that with up try to. Make sure everybody’s been using the same data. I really appreciate that. I have some comments or questions that I hope you guys don’t mind. If lot into a couple of them, at least. >> But I have. >> I’m puzzled, I guess a puzzle. That would be
the word about your conclusions on the regional drivers. And we’re trying to get to the bottom of that issue. Not necessarily the bottom of the Everglades. And I’m not clear personally how you are turn, putting the data that are looking And and the slide you have up here right w another noslide number. >> 5, looks like and a pick on this for just a moment. It’s not clear to me when I look at say, for example, if you are thinking that the outflows from the a R diving directly the Miami Canal, for example, there are
a couple of structures that you’re not showing that are typically closed, which would cause that water to go into the marsh rather than stay into a canal. But my bigger question has to do was live fo >> Your regional simulation model. >> Yeah, this is the wind. So you actually made a statement >> And you indicated that the water goes into the L 67, a >> And I will confess it’s really easy here on these flow, vector diagrams to see the L 67 a canal. And you can look really closely and see the Miami can
now also. Why I’ve been kind of puzzling over a little bit is how you’re reaching those conclusions. This particular modeling exercise actually does not include the canals. So the factors that you’re seeing our the >> and I’m not gonna lie. I don’t know Rsm is a finite element model or whatever type putt. You know, the little marsh elements. >> Is what you’re seeing here. And so those flow factors are all within the marsh. This particular model did not include modeling the canals. where the flow is going in them are. So I’m a little confused are
puzzled about how we can conclude this water is going. Into the Miami can now into the L 67 a and so that’s just something I I’m not sure how you are interpreting it. And I know you did this last year I’m not gonna lie. I’ve puzzling for a year now. Haha. So, you know, I’m still not sure how you’re putting these puzzles to pieces together. It seems as others chunks of informatn missi how the water actually acts and reaction and moves. And so that’s something I wanted to note or ask you about. And perhaps. Possible.
We would like to explore that further and come back and present some additional information at the next 2 yrs. The meetin And I also have a note for myself here. That the has won 50 isn’t even modeled here for particular modeling exercise. So I just wanted to also point that out to you. >> Thank you, appreciate that. This information that the could now is that we see in this figure and that actually represent in the matter. And I know that. So thank you for telling me that. >> But is a nonot on this is Dan
and are does include the hydrology associated with that. really is correct that the graphic is focused on overland flow of actors that the >> hydraulic can. Vance effect of the canals in the Everglades are part of the are some model speaking as the water resources for. Central Everglades on the agent side of the court. >> So it sounds like that might be something a little more appropriate to look at and trying to determine where the ter is going in the various concentrations of the waters. Have. Thank you for that. Hey, Dan. >> So, thank you,
So interpretation of this figure, you know, my screen personally in my own can actually zoom in better, but they have these very light blue and green arrows this so that the water pointed directly towards where the canal would be. Which suggests some of that water is actually moving in the canal and probably be back and forth. And then the real that is probably where expand what we’re experiencing in. I think we can exceed reonse and our system. Particularly at stations that are along this boundary. I think we have see a 14 and C 18, they
both show elevated concentrations relative to what we see deeper in the Martian tears suggesting that there is some some exchange between the Martian that can now. Along this pad. That was one questions. so. >> So this is John Mark. And I’m trying to understandWhat the impact is on the conclusions from the discussion that the 3 of you just a >> well, I’m I’m still not clear either. Mister because I think what I’m hearing from Donato and an overall sense and did it’s kind of like my next question here. Are you? Implying that much of the
ongoing college excess phosphorus or the increase, phosphorus is coming through the and you know, this is just one of the 3 areas you looked at, but through the Miami into the L and getting down to the L 29. Are you indicating that because I’m trying to match up the structures and your numbers on the next slide. Yes. >> Right. Because the design and AG agree with you that there’s a structure that helps divert some of this water back into the marsh in the middle of conservation area. 3, a but I am definitely saying that water
is transported along this route and follows these routes that are identified are some modeling. To ultimately be portion of the transport of the nutrients just phosphorus, but all of the nutrients. So Can I go back address your first question? >> you’re in too close to the mic, apparently. So the first question, yes, the I guess I just did. So, yeah, it’s to. >> The model that you guys have. firm Rsm indicates that their flows moving on these And so that’s I’m using to help inform that. know, I do believe in their this during your presentation
last last quarter. That we should get some kind of transport stated that actually evaluate the Pfizer says self and how it’s moving across the system, particularly with the potential for this to be short circuit in the marsh from the Miami can now and clearly being that delivered directly through from the discharges from we also had pretty healthy discussion about what’s coming in from the western portion and how far this actually a transported. it was 12. But they’re >> Could you scroll to the right on the were staring at a dry year in a >> You
want to go to the Web year. Average year are not aware that what what? Are you seeing? It? Bill, there. >> Maybe, you a lot of time thinking about that The what when you move to the way you’re you’ve got drowned out. >> I’m >> sorry. Okay. One more clearly shows that there’s a lot >> Coming in along the way boundary, which ow, we can’t hear you very well. >> started out with start of the got muffled. can you come closer to the mic and speak a little louder? Yeah, I’m the one right back away
from the mic. Back better. >> that really learn a little bit stronger. Is that better? Yes. >> I don’t know my phone yeah. cult of or what more clearly showed that there a lot more flow coming in. Along the and that the a 5 under Those are the ones with a high bond concentration. And I I think the word and I know I have looked the gradient along died in the March data in the data. And you can pray you know, you can whatever. coming that is linked those. They no weapon I think there’s evidence
that there’s transport. No water. Here for water. Quite getting down there. And I forget what the proper look like. But we know that you And some of the high concentration wreak and they did so. I mean, that’s what I’m anyway, >> all right. you’re >> Steward, you’re being back into the mic. >> Oh, my And you guys aren’t even letting me ask my questions. But that’s okay. >> You can come over here. >> I think there’s 2 parts of the discussion when you’re looking at these upstream locations and the flow o acrs of where water
is coming >> You know what? eyes and the other ions, they’re going to be somewhat conservative. So they’re certainly going to indicate along with the flow pass that you have water. That is source from a particular direction and that volume of water. You know, when look at those ions as tracers is indicating that that volume is following the vectors and it’s making its way down towards the end point. But when you look at that perspective from phosphorus, which you have a very large margin, just like we have in any vegetative system. When you input at
the very upper end of the system and that water is caring, those nutrients downstream to a marsh. You’re obviously going to have uptake from the vegetation. So concentrations. We know like with TP network, the phosphorus concentrations that are in them are still a little bit higher in the northwest corner of 3, a but by the time you get down to below, I-75 and your pasta vegetation, halo. That is in that. Gap area below s one 40 and well as one. 90 is a contributor to the halo which then gets into the gap. That brings in
all those really strong blue flow of actors coming from Big Cypress Basin that move back into 3 a we have stations in that location. Also, there’s no direct canal between vegetation, halo, south of. That’s one 90 that canal system terminates flows out into the marsh because many, many, many miles to the marsh and in a canal system picks up agaiat the L 28 at the time back. Levy on the side. So I think what we may be seen as we know the water volumes with those tracers indicate that there’s water coming from to a direction.
But we also know th the marsh system is receiving a lot of that water. There’s nutrient uptake by the time you get down to the southern part of the marsh, it’s the phosphorus concentrations are low. And I think that were seen in in the system. Dynamics is there’s evidence in many different locations, probably from the western side of 3, a marsh going into that interceptor. Tie back Levy the with structures that were the 3.44 structure. There’s there is a canal that’s north of 3.44, but you’ve got marsh to can now connectivity. same thing that we’re
seeing with the L There’s some type of 3 a to L 67, a marsh connectivity. And we’re probably seen that up at the eleven’s where you’ve got the two-way marsh with lower concentrations in the marsh receiving a lot of water from you concede and of actors in the two-way area. Paramount son here. It doesn’t show up on the screen, OK, there it is. So in this to a vector in this two-way flow of actors, you see a lot of water moving from. STA 2 I don’t know a percentage, but there’s probably 90% plus of STA
2 outflow waters are moving through our system. But then there’s a canal here. See at March the canal. Yeah, have marched canal over here where the 3.44 structure is. Yeah. March the canal connections here. So there’s there’s there’s a story to beat held and that certainly is something that needs to be can that needs invesgation. So there’s litt pieces of the puzzle shouldn’t necessarily conclude that just because we necessarily see him put at a particular location that actually maybe just kind of going back and jog your memory a little bit. I think you mentioned that
in the past. Also, it’s too simplistic to look at the inflow point boundary, the the boundary inflow points and directly correlate that to what we’re seeing downstream. There’s a lot of complexity that’s going on in between. So I I guess that would be my response to what you were talking about. >> Well, you certainly I certainly agree that it’s not simple, but it’s very calm created a Google Earth Layer that posted on my Web site for a look east racers looked throughout the And that’s where I got my in calling that the transport along the
western boundary. Should be investigated morI ow you’ve looked at it and I look the but it probably need another look. >> Yeah, Bill, I would agree with you it. It definitely need some more investigation. There’s there’s it definitely appears. there some? I mean, if if you if in a bass balance, if the surface water surface water measurements are showing their low concentrations, but then you get down into a canal and you’ve gotarch Canal connectivity and the phosphorus concentrations are going back up. There’s something I mean, if the yes, so I would agree there’s more that
needs to be looked at. You know, not as presentation. Also, it’s this is a starting point. We’re we’re learning something about. I mean, this is all part of the puzzle and we’re learning something about the inputs in the outputs. And what we need to do is look more in between. Right? There’s a box of things that need to be investigated. >> Well, everything in I think we talked about it and Hield the route where and that is what the flow. Get to the L 29. Almost 12. The word 3.33. The that to it can be
transported from a over to over 3.33. under high under different stage conditions. I know and dry conditions not going to. Make it. But what are the question is whether under the high water conditions given that 3.33, kind of polling. Dropping water wi because it’s pulling so much water through. It may be essentially talking water from the Which would be it, you know, way water get 33. 33 I don’t know. I know discuss that. But I’m a member of the gist of it. >> Thank Bill. I’m seeing That dynamic happened in the canal and so that
was a part of of what we presented. But if the ma to do to make most. That was a part of what we presented here. So we like So we to current meter. We have until current meta situated right here on the OCE. A 29 can And so we evaluated. Have the furloughs moving directionally. And for the most part during even the higher flow portions of the year we’re seeing. That water is moving west towards t twves instead of towds at. The 33 no, we didn’t go far enough west to say what’s happened in structures
so I can really do want to talk about what’s happening just east of this 12, D and in between that the 30 threes. So I it is something that could definitely be investigated. >> But what we wouldn’t have to get all the way to 3.33. out to be in probably more likely and that would you know, so the Western basin flows could take that and stil you know, transport so. Yeah, well got a list of things. Look at. >> Thanks, Bill Juli had other questions. >> I do. And there are hands raised. So for the
2 of you who are attendees and zoom, it your members of the public? We’re going to wait until we get to the public comment period. I’ve got one of my staff with a hand raised and Ed Springer is on the mike. So what I’m going to do is skip my nexus, 7 questions to get back to them. If they’re not covered to have. I do that. At did you want to go next or should I ask minute? >> Go. I think pretty quick and this is just to get some clarification and did I wish I
were looking at you said of the screen. Number one on this one I thought is, is there thought to adding those additional? Tilt meters as was known as Bill was saying between the. >> You know, the bnc CD, maybe even that between a and Bust to kind of get a better picture. >> Of what’s going on is that is that something you guys are thinking about doing? >> Or is it just a hey, this would be interesting idea. I don’t know far along we are in that process. >> You know, we actually have that. It
is the concept it is something we could now think about considering for this working group effort that we’re doing, that we weren’t really fire west for that. like these tell me does were specific for trying to understand the the 33 dynamic. something we could think about investigate. Okay. That’s good. >> the date is certainly interesting to look I appreciate you present your today. That one when wanted to ask about on the very first slide, you present you. You just say the regional drivers are mind you can now in L But then on the last line,
its Miami can now and 9. So just just wanted to make sure we’re clear. Are you’re saying which one of the regional drivers is that the L 67 a year us 9. >> And use them interchangeably. Sorry about that. But yeah, I was sayg this just real general citing get specific. I got a little more specific South Miami would be as a would as nights. OK, thank you. >> And then with with the Miami be in the essay, I had the same. Same thoughts are saying. Information that Julie had to looking at the 3.39, and
3.40, you know, we look at the data during what are your 2020? 22. it appearethat there’s no flow athose. Those are structures designed to send march flow out from the Miami you know, or inflow from the Miami County into the march to help with March hydration. We also took a look and I know you can’t compare not apples to apples, but we use that data presented the district’s sfe. Our report. You look at the march stations around the 3, 39 3.40, thing. They appear to as far as TP is concerned, you know, kind of background
concentrations. So guess that’s my question is if the is the regional driver and then the structures are sending water out to the marsh. And the March data are essentially background. Where is it getting back into the Miami can now? What’s the source to get back into the Miami Canal into the L 67, a I’m just I’m having a hard time making that connection and perhaps it it highlights that may be maybe more importantly, is the marsh to can now connection that exist at the other stations throughout 3, a that’s another thing we looked at. You
know, we kind of looked at all of the stations within that you’ve you’ve identified here. And what we saw was a very similar pattern. If it’s a marsh to canal connection stage, you see is similar pattern at the S 3.33? Complex that low stage hive TP concentration. But at the where yodon’t have that March tocanal interaction, it’s it’s inverted. So at that. It’s kind of given us thought perhaps there’s something else going on here that. Can’t be explained by what presented today. So that’s a that I was great. Thank you very much for the >>
recollection, you expect of the 3.39. >> Yeah. designed to spread the water out into the march. But I recall being. Nowe th show that just gets down to the march. But then because of the lower stage and analogy schools back in canal, exactly not. You know, of it goes further downstream, but there’s kind of a short circuit thing that happens. It doesn’t show up in these factors. But >> it actually does something actors, Bill. You can actually see how they are curbing back down here towards the Miami can. as you follow these Yeah. Yeah. So
thanks for addressing that. You said everything. I was going to say that more elegantly. I see a hand in audience come to them. I do. Well. We’ve got 2 people ahead of you area. I’m trying to let you know. >> With the structure is the 39 right. And the concentrations at the 40. I think that’s what they’re describing. is the to >> did notice you. remove the C one, 23 X Y Z and G 4 of 7 this year compared with last ar. I was curious about that. That was a request from FDP last year
side today. Try a case >> manager Dan, got your hands up then it was first and I’m not sure, Dan, if your comments are related to what we’re just talking about or even united. So. If I could ask. One of you to please speak managing underhand and you. All right. This minute. >> It’s a matter things for the esentation. thanks for incorporating some of the comments. I want to throw a little bit more confusion sectors. I may I looked at positions. >> At the >> bill. 29 structures from 12 AE 2 S 3, 3, 3,
>> And basically there is a differentiation in the eye on the composition of these 5 structures that idea at the time a 3, 3, m was not operating in my conclusion would be that probably on the composition were not different from 3.33. But the interesting thing is the S one, 40 state structures have totally different compositions from what we see it The will be composition mimics more of the big Cypress. Water composition and the March. And looking at these flow vectors. The stations that I looked at, big Cypress seem to be falling within sectors. the
fact will be a has its on the composition is not surprising to me. Interestingly only looked at data from 2000 to 2014 when I was put together a presentation for internal use. But I also looked at Bills 1991, paper in the data that he had that paper, which comes from the district to have the composition at this As what I so all 4 15 year period. So just to clarify when you’re talking about, nutrients being put into the system 20 or 30 miles north. I hope you’re not expecting those to be conservative and make it
all the way down into Into the bottom March. There’s going to be transformation of those off nutrients as it passes through March. And it will be up to it’s n clear whether yr conntion, even with l these sectors, you know, makes clear connection between what’s being put in 2030, miles north of what is being scene at the 20, not. The other. Aspect that I wanted to address. Was year. believe your your seasonal general table. Which valued that you used to summarize your table trend analysis. The seasonal travel packages to Pete obvious. That generates which use
just there will be on the just. >> Be adjusted as suggested by you. >> Well, we suggested that are >> relations analysis to determine whether >> you need to use the adjusted >> With the adjusted is what you suggest that I did that. definitely didn’t back him and say do a serial correlation so we can do that going forward. But the tested is normally if it’s significant and that means original is significant. >> thing is that notice that you don’t in table? >> The percent. Missing data. It’s something that we put in because while the
test says that >> it the it’s robust. The missing data. Everything has a limit. You know it, especially when you’re dealing data that we’re up values that may be close to being statistically significant were not statistically significant. Get me indicated he may not have sufficient. detecting any kind of a trend. So it’s always a good idea to put it in percent. A missing data just for viewers that they could to determine. How much data you have each one of these. Stations that are looking at for calculating you’re calculating mostly for we need to correct? Yeah.
That’s what it says. Most So if you have flawlessly, don’t have been forwarded me you know, the thing thatind jumped out at me and I don’t know if this was just typo on this map, but you do have a legend top that TP parts per billion per year. What a difference. Size. look at the map, all symbols are the same size. Was that if we look, was this where should legend been moved? >> Yeah, I probably made Probably messed up it. can take Thanks noting But go back and reevaluate them to make sure that these
are represented. And definitely will look at incorporating missing data percentage going initial comment about. ♪ About the flows coming down transforming the phosphorus and angry that the faster it can be transformed and definitely have taken him. Because of 3.44. Is are are similar to what I see down at this 12:00AM thinking there’s something that’s happening with transport. And I think it’s something happened. Stewart playing out along 28 a southern question of 28 and so think that somewhere we need to actually investigate. do have very large gaps monitoring of water quality in these areas. I think
that we have station up here by the terminus of the L 28. I. And more here pretty far away from this area. I think we need to figure you know, we’re going actually drill into this. We would somebody that we know what happened out here to help inform This question in this concern. >> They’re my final comment. Julie’s got some general comments, but the my final comment is on year structured contribution to total phosphorus load. Actually, I have one comment before after this you’ve got these Rick says up top last races and singles and I
was trying to figure out what those not. >> I’m just comparing between back says so 12 compared to this when year versus this and the year so forth. >> What are Asterix me? >> They represent significant differences where they’re double less the P value is less 0, 5 less than playing were single. >> checked >> one of the things you may want to consider if you go to to your regression lines or goes >> Yeah. >> the spirit and the general You can get the trend. trend analysis based on correlation analysis. They’re not for a
metric. I think for. Sort of compare ability with the relation. Thank you can find at the Kendall town a little bit warmer, comparable and spearman. So I’m not sure you need to do both alone, but the I would suggest sticking with e general town because of will tell victim is a lot closer to the Spearman. what we call the correlation. Coefficients. It’s a little bit easier to understand. >> Okay. I appreciate that comment.incorporated both because you requested both of the last time. Thank you. >> that that saw him. >> Thank you. Dan Crawford, you have
patiently had your virtual hand Did you want to ahead? >> I thought Thank you. Thank you, Julie. I guess I just want to say first of all, thank you to not for the analysis that think. From my perspective on the Corps of Engineers, I think it highlights that there’s you know, we’re continuing to see this. Local driver condition in the vicinity of 3, 3, 3, and that there still. You know, some in further investigation needed on the larger regional trends, you know, and that potentially by 8 addressing the local driver, we may have more visibility
on whether any of these regional trends are still statistically significant in terms of causing are contributing to exceedances we’re seeing in Shark River site about this ad. You know, as that thing, my my modeling hat on, you know, that the regional model is is not intended to be used for looking at local transport phenena. You know, we have much higher resolution and hydraulic models that we use for that purpose plant. doing designer. We’re doing, you know, technical investigations. You know, course, the tradeoff to those higher resolution models. Estate. They take a lot more time to
write and and they they don’t they’re not able to look at, you know, multi-year or multi decade UL scales, which is one of the benefits using our sample that you highlighted the Nano. You know, we have to recognize there’s different types of models for different applications and you So they draw conclusion about. >> Flow pass at a local scale by looking at a regional scale model. You know, are some models using. >> Average topography across, you know, 1500 to 2000 acres. You know, grid cell sizes. It’s not it’s not intended to capture things like Micro
topography of origin’s Lee system or spoil mounds or agricultural ditches or that type of phenomenon. But it it’s it’s a useful part of that. It’s useful to inform the analysis, but it shouldn’t be looked at in isolation. I just want to say that. And then the second piece all at is is I think it got lost in the shuffle a little bit. But I want to highlight that. increased deliveries to Shark River slew below 9.2 feet was a conscious effort under development of that combined operating plan that was implemented in September of 2020, you know,
and that affected the on the flow series that we’re seeing, you know, starting in in federal water year. 21 and beyond, you knowwe acknowledge tha prioto you. 2021. There are long periods of time where no water was being delivered to northeast shark or oversight. And that was a problematic with the downstream ecosystem response, which I think we’re certainly seeing very favorable benefits downstream. So I mean, think your your point on 54% below 9.2, I don’t think that should be over. I think it should be acknowledged that that’s providing a very meaningful ecological benefit and that
the development of those operations. You know, which was partnership between the Corps of Engineers and the National Park Service, you know, was something that we were consciously trying to do. Obviously, we weren’t try transport nutrients into the part. You know, we were focused on delivering that water. That’s critical to the ecosystem. But I I don’t want to gloss over that point I’ll stop there over. >> And definitely a pre Sabo for those Start with that last you’re correct. definitely experience benefiting glad to cut benefits down in Northeast Shark River a result. Actually, we hydrating that
portion of the We had one of our. The temporary staff member actually presenting gear on some of those ecological benefits that we’ve been experiencing. We have seen substantial shifts invitation towards more heidrick and undesirable vegetation up in Northeast Shark River So, you know, your point Jeremy how that’s when that saying at the being in the beginning. Regards with the the flow of actors. definitely agree with you. Fortunately I Madam out I do have t ability to. Develop models that are local scale. Second only use what’s available to us in this regional simulation model something that
we’ve been using pretty pretty long time. While working group, we did discuss the potential to have evaluation at the local scale and and that that just hasn’t materialized So thanks for that comment. >> Okay. Thank I’m the like who’s going to go Wanted to go ahead, Ed and all see maybe you’re going to have some of my same remaining questions. Sure. Thank >> Well, did not. I I I have turned back up and say thank you for the presentation. I think it a really good presentation. I I didn’t acknowledge that my first time of commenting.
So I apprecia that. I also appreciate, you know, the fact that you provided it to that you see members and to the public well in advance. And that’s that’s been a huge help for me personly to have the time to to read the presentation, understand it. And ask are, you know, develop meaningful thoughts and questions about it. With that said, one of the thoughts that I had and then just trying to get understanding is you indicate on slide 5 that there was a combination of of although samplers plus, grab samples and that there’s statement audio
sample primary. So I’m trying to figure out what what does that mean? Odd a sample primary. And then a send question on that is, you know, for the the settlement agreement, we have The requirement that we use grab just curious is what was the logic of incorporating the the auto sampler for sons. Just go with grabs. You can have kind of a more apples to apples comparison to the settlement agreement. >> Thank you for questions. So that I do sample forget the first Christmas I without a sample arease’re focusing so we calculate to mean concentrations,
they incorporate both of them. And this is than the district uses. So I’m doing my best to make sure matching. The dagger is in the district is using, which is why described having met and match 1008 except for this 40 am. So when we calculate the to mean concentration is we use data sample, grab samples. But the So the priority be and I do see in person when you have out of sample data available use that before you use the gram sample data. And so tt stabr er develop. of the district. What was the original
quit? The first question? >> It was. was just curious what audio samples primary mean. I think you answered it and I guess that goes back to, you know, my I looking at the data when you compare auto sample data to grab samples, you know, we we we see this kind of a historically on a simple reports, say a higher data, then, you know, higher data values than the grab. So just curious how how you are able to or if you did do any adjustments to the data, kind of reflect variation between grab in on a
simple that’s all. >> OK, thank you. And I agree that delivering the reports are the presentations and advances is something that we should strive for going I like to have the opportunity to have the time to evaluate advance as well. Thanks. >> Yeah, I have a nother question on this slide and it actual islso related to the auto samplers. I don’t think every single one of the structures has been on a sampler. And so I was just curious how that might skew things a little because it’s also an apples to orans. If you’re looking, I
realize you’re looking at weighted means that each individual structure here, but I’m just wondering if it’s appropriate to The auto sampler data when they don’t all universally have auto sampler. So that was just kind of a side question. I had. >> It’s one that I had in the past as well. But there’s no minutes. The data that the district is producing without using both. I don’t want to grab. So I just stuck with over the new guys provide. >> Okay. Thank you. Anything else for do not presentation. don’t see any other hands and just raises
from the panelists. We have a few members of the public still hanging in there. We’ll get to you. I promise. It just raises and. >> Yh, I I do have another another. thing that kind of came to my mind when I was reviewing presentation, that’s like on slide 6. If you will, the next line. So. I’m looking at this to me. This is telling a good news story. You’re seeing stations on the side of the water conservation. And, you know, we’re seeing that. In some of them were seeing improvements. And that’s a good news story
that we we all need tout and we’re seeing that the other stations on the eastern side arbasically neutral? The question I have is is and trying to figure out how do we? How do we talk about that understanding that right now the last few years? Our stormwater treatment areas, particularly STA 3, 3, Forest CA 2 and one. Wes 20’s. They’ve all been delivering. Much better water quality historically they’ve delivered. So I’m trying to figure out how do we say that these things are delivering better water than normal understanding that you know, the majority of water’s
coming in on the east side with just don’t as small contribution to the S 8. How are we saying that water quality coming in from the St? Ays is better than it’s been historically the water quality at these stations is either improving or neutral. But yet we’re seeing the highest. Exceedance for this water year that that in my time here that ever seen that, you know from the and just having a hard time. Making that connection. Something is missing. Some curious if anybody else and thought about that. And if they can share with the group.
>> for me, that is impetus is why? started focusing on the local or regional discussion? And the reason I’m talking about the regional. Component of this is because we keep saying some of those keep saying that that is no longer a problem that components are still loading the system. And until we can stop this excessive excess emoting. And I don’t think that we can. Exclude them drivers of what we’re seeing coming down the line. Even once we resolve with that, that the 33 we’re still going to have to be mindful of what’s going on respect
voting this in this local area. So I agree with you. We definitely see lower concentrations coming out of the St Ays. And that think that is being translated to what we’re seeing in the U.S. one, 50 in the improvement at 11 and even the stable conditions we’re seeing at the NSA other s elevens. So thk that is evident in these data. But you know, we’re still above the levels that need We need to see what we’re looking long term for ultimate fix. He asked other people had business on this and so more people are welcome
to come to the table. spot. I see no and >> mentioning coming to table. I am there will be folks who want to make additional presentations in December when we need. So I did want to throw that in there. >> Ineos insist this is John Burke at I’ve been listening intently. Hear what has been a fascinating discussion, but I’m still not sure. Where this leads to and then how it relates. I’ve heard many references to the working group in. My impression was the working group was. Near the was in a position to make recommendations and
I’m a flummoxed now has to. Whether, in fact, that’s the case becausit seems like. There are. Are things still that need to get investigated or done or 2 reconsidered and this one are after all this time, why we’re in that position. But we’re we’re we’re does this take all of you. is what I I don’t understand. >> I’m going take a small staff and just kind of convey that it. I think the working group is looking at the reach or the local drivers that they’re has meioned. think someone prepared to give you a quick update
on I feel like a lot of our discussion so far this morning focuses on this idea of the regional drivers that I’m not clear, at least in my own mind that we put the puzzle pieces together to convey that. And all go to water year. 21 water year. 22 do mentioned he’s looking at regional drivers because we’ve said we don’t think that’s an issue r exceedances. For me personally. think we’ve had a lot of great discussion of other things we need to consider and look at If there’s really a belief that. These regional inputs are
a problem and I don’t want did or the park or others to think that we’re ignoring those possible just because we haven’t really felt that was a problem. It doesn’t mean we have to look carefully and not. So that’s my part of an answer to yo question. Mister Barr, Cat. >> But I have I have one more Been late late late the So with respect to where we’re going right now, think multi-agency ways we actually have come to some consensus. And as you pointed out, we are. Close to the point where we will be bringing
recommendations on how we should be moving forward. So I think we reach that level play Julie. Just play it out. It is focused on the local. Drivers. And so what I’m talking about, the regional I’m still speaking about the potential for things that are loading the system. Long term. So I’m not saying it’s the exact thing hitting us this year, even though it’s 9 this year continue to contribute the rest of the year. Not saying that. That is the specific thing that’s causing these exceedances. But my concern is that when we go forward. And when
we come to some resolution for the local, we might still be seeing some of that influence coming down the line played We shouldn’t be ignoring Okay. But I’m sorry it you this is county. A man was sort of of council. >> I just wanted mention on special master that the working group is has come up with recommendations. Those recommendations are going to be presented to the principal’s next week. Those recommendations are are focused the localized phenomenon but the working also looking So the phase one studies have completed there, looking at a second phase, a phase
2 of cities that are content 2 further inform what’s going on here. So there’s going to be there’s a suite of recommendations. The expectation is that the principal school Wilson has selected the preferred solutions and there’s strategies will be reported to the Tsc at at the December needing but but they’re also probably will be 2 of additional studies if that helps. >> a full tank. thank I just it just sounds like listening to the discussion. There are still a number of questions, apparently not so many that are still apparently still going to So that’s good.
I it’s a little to have all of this very intesting technical discussion occur at the meeting as opposed to before the meeting so that you Do with all tse issues and the presentation with anticipated all these questions. But but maybe that’s the way this has operate. >> bill, I agree with the special master just that. But I mean me, I don’t understand why t proof principle they’rgoing come up wi their recommendation where many without even hearing. Everything that we’re we’ve been talking about. other question, other comment I have, but I don’t. Could you move? to
their lives the map showing the trends on it. Yeah, well, I think this is about strong, you know, an trends. got rained all along the western side. You know, we talked about tracers and marsh interactions, but fact that that all quarantine stations on the western side are showing increasing trend means that you know, I’m kind of moving through the system. So that could be looked along everything else that we talked about. >> So so if I could just stop right there Doctor Walker says something like that. happens now? Is there follow-up and who engages in
the follow-up? Where is observation? Get recorded in the notes and I’m trying understand what happens next because it is quite chilling. When you look at 4 dots there, s 9, 1, 9 TDs, one, 40 as 3.44. In May, and then you look over to the left she read read, read, read. I mean, look, I’m a mortal. I can’t stay up with all of a afternoons that you’re you so late for various canals might brain Asian working have to be able to see the canals and what you can. But I can say for read lines here
and look at the for rent gas and they’re on the western What happens next with this crime and that’s what I’m trying to understand. Where do you go with this? It’s just part of face to that was just referenced or is there something else that’s going occur? I’m just I’m just for next. Special. >> Specialist. So this is Kenny him again. So these and now sees are looked by all the agencies, including the working truth. I mean, TP has to do it to be dive into what’s going on here. It’s possible that we we could
give a presentation on this the next 2 years. I mean, you know, Ed, to you want to come to give a different preview of what are sees to date have told were. >> Yeah, I I was just going to mention that, you know, we’ve looked at this and, you know, from a from me contribution to the exceedance. If you look at the data, it’s it’s kind of it’s it’s a very small contribution. It’s a around one percent contribution. So while the trend is obviously concerning for the department and we’ve been looking into it is communicated
in, perhaps we can provide a presentation at the next 2 years. He meeting what what we’re seeing, you know, one of the things that were we’re having a, you know, kind looking into is the distance between stations march flow that occurs between the different stations and you know, what’s the what’s the interaction is going on there that that seemed to be disconnected from what we’re seeing at the actual march or not. The the station’s identified here on the slide not so we’re we’re digging into again, trying to figure out, you the the actual transport through
the system. It’s it’s proving a little more challenging th we had we were actually kind of hoping to get something together for this to see. But it’s It’s teasing out. The information is tricky, but hopefully December we should be able to have something for the team. >> what did you mean by that? percent cuts in tracing or kunde country Bush was closed that just looking at the. >> If you’re looking at all of the the components of the equation that the 12 a component contribution is. It’s it’s a very small on. And I just, >>
you kw, estimated one percen I’m not I’m not saying that’s Factual calculation of have to do it to give you the exact number. But it’s overall compared to the contribution from the S 3, 3, 3, 12 C and 12 that 12 a is a is a. Very, very small percent of the of the loading the contribution in the equation. >> But that’s that’s not real. Say that the the increasing trend is not a concern to the department week. We agree. That is something that needs to be looked into and it’s something they’re so. >> And
I hope you also that’s our aim. He’s indicated he’s looking at some things. We are also and I don’t feel that we would totally ignore our partners here. So. I hope with before at least some of the material that comes back here in December that we would also be coordinating with did not do and the others associated here with a technical oversight committee. So we don’t we don’t really want to kind of operate in a Even doctor Walker’s comments. Yes, we report those. We know them. And we don’t ignore That’s part of the reason we’re
trying to have a healthier discussion today because we’re not ignoring it. Were trying to understand the comments and the conclusion so far as well as how we can. Better define what’s going on you know, I’m not personally. Convinced there’s not just something going on at structures generally. So there’s you know, there’s a number of avenues here and we. Appreciate the coming back with some more numbers for us to look out. But I don’t think we intend to operate in a vacuum between now and the next year. See meetings bite over. >> no, no. We working
the we that working with the canned group. different from the artist. At this meeting or is there any overlap? And the other question I have with respect to remedy that think we should keep in mind that the work project Bill in the planning process. But that should help to address the high concentrations coming in at U.S. one 90. Well, there’s something on the horizon that might help, but I don’t know I >> Matt keep counsel’s office at the core of work not Korean remedy. Are projects are not remedy. Mister Dan Crawford mentioned preview the meeting.
>> But it will I would care what you label. It will help. The concentrations are going into 3 a. them so I Yeah. Okay. project still being planned do it. not going to be planned as a remedy >> for the Yeah. Okay. It’s no. >> So this is John Burke, housing market. Don’t take anything I say is criticism. The goal here is is to succeed. >> That’s the goal is just there’s a little when I just listen to the back forth. The comments. Well, then this isn’t. But we suggest may be issues out this way
just as a little surprising to me that all occurs. At the meeting as opposed to before the meeting, particular since the presentation was was opposed to a week ago. And you just it’s it’s a little surprising to hear. It’s interesting that the back and forth and and I appreciate the candor. actually love the canned or also frank in and so polite in your criticism of each other’s work and very loving way. the more that you can a consensus before we come to the tsc meeting, apropos of your comment. Julie, about coordinating before. And I think
that would be very helpful if you could do that because it just seems like it you would be able to explain me and public. Consensus that you’re reaching as opposed to pointing out things that still need to be explored. I realize you may not be able to reach consensus. You may need more more research and that’s fine. You can identify this. But if it’s being done in a coordinated way, I think it would be much more helpful. >> Okay. I am looking at the UN muted people and took his hand off the microphone so doesn’t
have anything Any other comments at this point? I wasn’t sure, Judy, if if you have something you wanted to say. >> don’t about about being too, but I will just take us through. response the special master’s most recent comment that I believe that are constraints on the ability to meet and discusoutside of the frameworof a publi meeting. And Jolie Monaco’s and believe these are Florida state law requirements in a public meetings. >> this this is Kenny yet that there’s sunshine will constraints, for instance, You know, it’s Smith. Can’t speak to Julie Larocque about this into
that. That’s That’s a constraint on on having those sorts of conversations and then working to consensus before the meeting. >> What’s the working group doing? I mean, this is the sound like thnical discussions. >> And in fact, I’m do make reference to what district recommended that he employed within the district says, well, you have to take another step before you could employ Mister. I mean, this is if those discussions are going on, that’s all I’m talking about. Yeah, not talking about sunshine. Law concerns. I’m talking about legitimate technical discussions were scientists are working together y
to figure things out. And then that’s the kind of stuff I think I’ve been hearing back and forth today. It’s it’s great. And this isn’t just just wondering why some of that doesn’t occur before the meeting so that when you get to the meeting, scientists reached a consensus on whatever, whether it’s statistically related where other flow related, whether its concentration related, whether it’s terms of actors direction related. Well, whether it’s Canal March, connections related. just to have these kinds of conversations. So that. You can either identify what’s been agreed upon. All right, Dana Fi where
there are still data gaps that need to be filled and then how you plan to fill them. I mean, I I’m not a good I’m not being critical on just trying to be analytic and an organized and and what I’m here. And that’s really all over acting too. >> That’s fair. Thank you very much. I’m not going get into workad and staffg here, but that’s partla name. >> let let me stop you right there. And apologize. I I completely understand if its budget related its staff related. If you’ve got other priorities say so. That’s fine.
Just least indicate the constraints of that. We all understand what people are working under. No one’s looking for miracles here. That’s not the goal. The goal is for solutions. We’ve had a number of exceedances going back now for years. We need solutions. But if there are budget constraints or staff constrnts. Announce them so at least from my standpoint, I can appreciate the difficulties of to get to some of the solutions. I know once again, no one is looking for but we’ve been at this now 2 or 3 years. I forget the number of experiences we’ve
had. We’re going to get We’re going hear them December. So hopefully will be quite full. So men, again, please, please understand. I’m just trying to help. I’m not trying to criticize, but I do have obligations to the court. And I think to the public and I know that you respect those and you have them as well. And we just all need to work together to try to come up with solutions that make sense. Definitely appreciate your input. Special master. >> Yeah, thank you. >> Okay. lights went away. Does that mean we’re done with the knot
presentation? I know our enda does have a followp with the possibility of a vote. And I think we just had the follow-up I for 01:00AM not prepared to vote on anything related to federal water year. 22 Shark River slew of I don’t know if the rest of you are or And if we want to defer that again till December specifically to what are your 22? >> This is Ed Smith with the Unfortunately, I think I have to come to the same conclusion that I would like to to do a little more analysis before we we
have that vote. Okay. Thank you. >> support Wade into the next month. The sea with at the peak comes back within that incorporated into our valuation >> all right. Great. Thank you all. Lori’s. Kind of nodding your head here. So, this is Lori with the refuge. Agree. Let’s just hold off until December. I think we also have think this over and look at more data. You know what I just want to say real quick. I’m Thank >> For doing this, the presentation I know you took a lot of hard questions. So I’m just saying I
just want you to know that we appreciate what you’ve done. Julie, to something that you said about You’re not convinced that some of the problems that we’re having are not at the structures themselves. That is a very good point. I mean, we’ve known for years now that there’s hydrologic connection between 3.44, the 3.43, and has 12. We’ve done tho studies, you know, back during the Everglades restoration transition plan. So there are some things to look at. But the working we’re ready to to presentations and recommendations am you know, I think we need to keep talking
about the working group not say that to the very end where people are wondering what was the working group doing. just want to add those couple things. And again, Donato thank you for your presentation. Okay. Let’s go over to public comment. We now have 3 people with their hands raised. And I would like to call on you each of you in order, please. So first we have Paul Julian. >> Hello, everyone can hear me. Also. Thank Paul. Julie, Everglades Foundation. Great presentations, Lots of good information. Mister Garca. I’m in a constant state of being next.
So I understand completely how you feel. One thing that you know, it’s is obvious is that we this year’s, especially but even the past couple years we’ve seen. high of high discharges into Everglades National Park. That’s good thing means we’re moving forward on a restoration goals and progress. And that’s that’s fantastic. But we still see in the system dynamic where we drop below that 9.2 threshold that 3, 3, 3,ad water, which is kind of an obvious thing that happened. Seasonally. You can’t really fight that. But we do still see exceedances and in our annual numbers
what’seally, I guess alarming enough. I was a betting man. I start putting money on it that Are we are going to exceeding probably in 2023. That’s adding on to the already 5 exceedances that we had over the past 10 years. That’s kind of big deal. And and it seems like we keep discussing the same exact thing. You know, going back to the high discharges to Shark River. That’s a great thing. And obviously we have seen ecological benefits downstream. But do we also see tradeoffs? We doee higher nutrients coming into the the we start to see
conditions in the marsh. Also with those increases and that’s kind of question across everybody is are we seeing? you can. Michael responses to that regarding the discussion with the Niners presentation about drivers and looking at the Rsm U.S. kind of approximation of things. That’s a good way to kind of give us a snapshot of how the system kind of flows in a driveway here. Not necessarily predicting but if we want to c down that route, there are mechanistic expect contaminant transport models that could be used to kind of really evaluate that kind of a concept
within water. Conservation area. 3, a 3 be Everglades. National Park and something that maybe should be considered in the future to kind of dig into things. Some things that I’ve done recently in the past couple need refresh it because it’s been a while, but I’m using a simple space and time model. I’ve been able to ki ofook at the the spati and temporal trends of phosphorus across water, conservation area, 3, a going Everglades National Park. And we do see a very spatial effect on the western side of water. Conservation area, 3, a which just so
happens to be if you look at tonight as map again with the trends where, you know, the western side is all red and everything else is green. There’s there’s almost like a bullseye there that’s pointing to a specific portion. And yes, we know where person going to be a remedy. But if we address the water quality in the ork project, we will see benefits downstream. And I know that’s outside of that. You see purview. But there are things that, you know, kind if he looks holistically across the system, there are things are going to benefit
or issues further downstream. Hopefully it nothing too much time. And I really appreciate The ability to comment and everyone’s input throughout the meeting. Thank you very much. Thank you, Next we have Tom McVicker. >> Did you hear me? Yes, sir. Could great. Just a few comments. I also appreciate what dollars done alone are worth The courage of being, you know, the league technical person willing to stand up in front talk about something that’s really, really complicated. I mean, comments on the presentation, those life forms really influence theirs. is the produced. Find them There’s one page
per year. Plus an extra page so they simulated 41 pages for calm. And page. 42 is actual average of all the 41 years. It looks nothing like the average that you saw in this presentation. It’s much drier, Victor diagrams in the presentation. What years? None of them a drier winter than the average year. When you look at the average, you actually tracing going all the way for Ms One, 40 to like this here. You know, 60, 70. Easy to misierpret drummer conclusions that are valid from the diary like this. But it instructive. If you just
go and through, easy to set up a new computer systems 41 years. You get a totally different impression. Then you will from look at 3 right years. You know, I think If you put conclusions can be drawn media swoon, 40’s when it strikes me the most lack of back to the Miami can now for most of the South. only thing the consent decree itself. You know, I was part of the team that negotiated the consent decree in the day. spent many hours in many days in the room with the Walker and members of that team.
it to the Everglades Park standard it knew it would be different. It’s always going to be controversial. you know, read one sentence from report from people the bill put together back It Since the long-term flows through 3.33. Will be minimal. These limits will be based on 12 concentrations. So the limits for the park areased only 12. Another thing we had like 10 or 11 years abated, 2 full years were rejected because of the learning curve. On the thing, system and there are some ground operations that move because the number to be high. So not only
does the consent agreement that I was in not fit with on the ground today. It fit what was on the greenback it was designed to generate a very low number and set the bar pretty high for flows that are essential part, but it shouldn’t surprise anybody that wants 3.33. Into the mix. And the enforcement compliance in. You’re going to see what we’ve seen. is is issue really get a trial formula. It was desigd specifically to give the parking lot more water in the dry season. So it’s going to generate flow in the dry season. Exactly
to the mechanisms that have been shown elevate concentrations this 33. Everyone knew about it. There’s letters in the cop filed from the agencies involved on the Tucson. It’s still a great for milk. The whole calm things been good for the park and good for the Everglades. we seem to get wrapped around the axle long news. Very fine. Still nuanced interpretations of will sit still long enough for us to really know. I go back to what the state. The way the state looks this compliance issue. looking at the water itself establish a network stations to around
a of eyes. If you’re trying to protect look at the benefits seeing ere. District presents those. I think once there in the U.S. if you are. Incredible, incredible improvements in quality throughout the system. You know, we all are with her But it seems like granting or sell on these kind of things. We’re forgetting good. We’ve done. So I go back and look at the pieces. Really inflow aren’t being addressed. This May or may not. from work just one. 42 interest, one, 40. continued to be there. So. I don’t know what the conclusions. I don’t think
the problem is violations that you’re citing a trial. If there’s a problem. that. You know, looking at the right perspective, I think for in Those from the veteran, thank you. Thank you. Time. >> is Bill We did not intentionally excluded 3.33. From the compliant. Formula Development just so happened that there wasn’t much was a lot of discussion about. Recognizing that there would be more flow along the eastern But then on top of that, that was assumption that that would be handled. Under. long-term hydrologic restoration project such as And those are, you know, planning no, I
think the planning done and those in implementation >> Well, it was of word every project that approved by Right. But now we’re now we’re calling it >> So I mean, whatever you name it, but it is been partly and direct. The high concentration coming through 3 3. >> the difference is Moderna already the most lose from 3, 3333 step will not right, right, right. And 3 B will Water ♪ >> Okay. Thank you are next. Public commenter is Rhonda Rauf. Rhonda. ♪ >> Thank you. Can you hear me? Yes, ma’am. I’m going to drag you
all back down into a fairly pedestrian set of questions that I hope you don’t mind. >> But I do appreciate presentation. And in autos, presentations tend to be. Understandable. Even for me I find it a little alarming. The S one 40 and U.S. one, 90 information and it could be the time frame that’s used in the data analysis for this presentation. We have a home clewiston and it it’s a constant worry for us that there are nutrient inputs to our to our groundwater, which is shaking water supply. So while we want to get the water
to flow south and rehydrate, Florida Bay and the whole mission of Everglades restoration, water quality of, you know, questionable water quality entering the central Everglades flow way it is always of a concern to those of us who live south of the lake and in between the coasts. And so here are a couple of questions that may I want to northeast. Things are incorporated the data we have increasingly severe extremes of of storm events like with the call. Atmospheric rivers are rain bombs. Did climate change? I would love to be able to see the the data
coelated with thosrain ents. I know that we Hurricane Anna Nicole after which tax lifted the bmp requirements for each application and allowed all of the the BNP Holder’s to reapply their new trance as needed afterwards with pretty much no expiration date on that. So those are nutrient input. Vegetation management, herbicide applications on the St Ays, strong flows re suspension of of, you know. Dead, decaying vegetion or sledges. I would I would like to see correlations between the water quality and those events and they may be in the data. But just not in this condensed presentation
over this time frame I know you’re concerned about the L 28. I know there’s more intensive cattle ops down along that area than have ever been before. It may be a contributor. I really don’t know probably some flyovers with help on that. So I so those are the things that just like to know if their the things that contribute to really unusually modified flows and the things that contribute to. Modified nutrient inputs along along the way. And if those points might explain the Exceedances and I’d also like to. feel comfortable that those things could then
be addressed by ever whether ibe DP fdacor whoever so that we don’t see impairment of water quality. We have flowing down between the coasts and its way too. We had rating today and so so that’s one question. Will bundle into one. The second question is. Which did not to mention to data points that were requested to be removed from the analysis by DP. And I was curious which ones those work. I appreciate your tolerance for my pedestrian questions. Thank you. >> would juspoint out and I remember exact stations, but they were stations that had lower
numbers. Sample events. And so you can still make the trend evaluation. But having full set of data across the years. I did agree with removing those side. I did take those out. Thanks for the question. The bigger question. I am not going to touch that >> The you know, the data points that are removed, If you can get email I can get that information to you. I want to say, gee, for a 7 was one of those. I know is to have a minimum of that. And at the actually, it was I write them down
and give me a second. What wrote down you have to confirm this for me to not. I wrote Down G 4 of 7 in the other one was C one. 23 Sr. 84. Does that sound about right? That is correct. >> Can thank you. >> By the way, to not presentations along with everything else, including last year’s are all posted on our website. I actually looked at that last night because I was curious what might be different. I’m just letting everyone know that. When we mentioned things that have happened or been discussed or prior meetings,
you guys can all access that material at the 2 years. He website. And easiest way to get to that is sfwmd dot Gov. Slash T O thank you for that. >> I don’t see any other public comments >> so I think we look toward adjourning the meeting. We didn’t really have any overwhelming specific action items. But I think what I heard from and and also, you know, even for me that we do want to come back at the next meeting to further look at it leads to regional drivers. And I do hope to not. Do
we get a chance to work with you on that as well as anyone else on the team here? It’s done. I don’t get to do that. Are our staff work with you on those things? And we appreciate the ability always of doing that. I understand that our December 5th meetings, our next mting is December 5th. We should be hearing back from the as 3.33. Working group for the principles in terms of where they landed. So just for you, folks to be aware that. I don’t know if you want to look at quarterly meeting dates in
2024, if you guys like we could e-mail them to the wraps and try to come back in December to get those meeting scheduled. It seems a little more suitable at the Anybody have any other kind of closing business for Has his literal hand up? >> Just just again. Thank you can on it for the presentation. it was we did a great job and some very good presentation. And it certainly thought provoking for me. So I appreciate that. To thank you again for the commitment to getting 7 days before the meeting, we’re going to do the
same thing and I’m also going to commit now that whatever we produce for the December, you will have it well in advance week. We hope to get it to you in coordinate through throughout the process. course, said, I’m not allowed to do thatbut I’ll commit the same thing to Laurie into Crawford. As well as in China know you’re on the phone and you’ll be interested. We’d love to have your feedback on this team. So will commit I do have a request. We’ve heard a few people mention it today that we’ve seen conditions There was the
presentation gear. I was unable to go to gears. I didn’t get to see it and I know The coalition melody hinted at the plant communities change for the positive. If there’s any way we could gethat. I think it would begreat to for that. You see something to consider for future stuff. And then also to kind of look at what Paul Julianne mentioned. I think that would be interesting to see if there’s any other. No indicators that we may want to start focusing on within Everglades National Park. >> Okay, great. Thank you, this is Lori with
the refuge. Did can ease up. They satisfy the special master and everyone else are you mention someone was going to throw us a real quick update on the 3, 3, 3 working grp. So. That’s the Pfizer. Do we still need to talk about >> I guess I will ask Mister Park did you get enough information? Mister Burkett from County. >> To get reply. I did. I did. I understand things stand and I. >> I want you all to know so that their numbers impressions, if I there in person. When we ended the meeting, I would
give you all >> Thank you so much. I know a lot of people have been working really h*** o* that and thank you for confirming, Larry, everybody. All right, everyone. If we don’t have anything else, I believe we are closing for today. So I really about 40 people tuned as attendees here on zoom as well as all the panelists participants today. So thanks for being here. And we will adjourned today and see you on December Thank you.
