BREAKING: 'Unabomber' Ted Kaczynski, 81, found dead in prison cell

WITH THE TIMELINE WOULD BE TO DO THAT. >> YEAH. CLINT, WE DO HAVE SOME BREAKING NEWS, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THIS. WE ARE JUST GETTING WORD THAT THE FORMER UNABOMBER, TED KACZYNSKI, HAS DIED IN PRISON. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT TED KACZYNSKI, GIVEN YOUR POSITION WITH THE NATIONAL SECURITY, WHAT COMES TO MIND IN THE FACT THAT HE HAS PASSED IN PRISON AFTER SERVING MANY YEARS BEHIND BARS? ON REFLECTION, WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> YEAH, IT’S PRETTY INTERESTING AND TO WHAT WAS THE START OF THE TERRORISM HERE IN MANY WAYS. IF YOU REMEMBER BACK, HE

WAS SENDING MAIL BOMBS AS LATE AS THE 1970S, GOING WELL INTO THE 1990S. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT WAS AND THE MID 1990S, IT WAS SEEN AS THE MOST, REALLY IMPRISONED FOR MANY DECADES. IT WAS DURING THE ERA WHERE WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT DOMESTIC TERRORISM. REMEMBER IN THE 1990S, BEFORE 9/11, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ERIC RUDOLPH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TED KACZYNSKI, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TIMOTHY MCVAY. THOSE WERE THE BIG TERRORIST ATTACKS OF THE 1990S. THEY WERE DOMESTIC IN ORIGIN, AND HIS CASE WAS PROBABLY THE MOST COMPLEX. HE SENT A SERIES OF BOMBS, IT

TOOK HIM A LONG TIME, THE FBI, THE MASSIVE INVESTIGATIONS SPANNING MANY DIFFERENT STATES AND JURISDICTIONS. AND REALLY, WHAT WAS THE THING THAT BROUGHT KACZYNSKI DOWN WAS THEY ACTUALLY

ALLOWED THE MEDIA TO PRINT HIS MANIFESTO, AND THAT WAS BROUGHT THE CASE OPENED, BECAUSE HIS BROTHER, SAYS — HIS BROTHER WROTE IT AND HE RECOGNIZE THE WRITING. IT WAS A REMARKABLE — THEY DIDN’T WANT TO MANIFEST OUT THERE BECAUSE IT MIGHT INSPIRE OTHERS BUT AT THE SAME POINT IT WAS A CLUE THAT IF YOU OPEN IT UP TO A CROWD, IT WOULD’VE BEEN AN EARLY SOURCE OF RIDGE

INTO THE CROWD SOURCING, IF YOU OPENED IT UP INTO A CROWD, YOU GET LOTS OF TIPS AND LEADS. AND THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. >> GIVEN THE TIME WHEN THIS HAPPENED, AS YOU SAY, IT WAS PRESSING, TO THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN A MORE COMPLETE SWAY, TRAGICALLY, SINCE HE WAS ARRESTED. ARRESTED. might feel , TRAGICALLY, SINCE WHAT DO YOU FOR THE FBI, BEING AN INSIDER AND WORKING ON THIS, AND THE CONCERN, THE LEVEL OF CONCERN WITHIN THE FBI TRYING TO FIND THIS GUY? IT WAS LIKE A NEEDLE IN THE HAYSTACK. >> THIS WAS ONE OF THE CASES

I WAS TRAINED ON AS A BRAND-NEW AGENT OF THE FBI ACADEMY. IT WAS ONE OF THE TERRORISM CASES THAT THEY TRAINED ON, LIKE WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU HAVE A LONE ACTOR WHOSE HIGHLY INTELLIGENT, WHO KNOWS HOW TO COME COVER THEIR TRACKS, WHO USES A SOMEWHAT RANDOM PATTERN AND TRIES TO TRACE IT OUT WHEN THEY’RE DELIVERING IT TO THE MAIL. IT IS THE LAST THE PRE-INTERNET, HIGHLY COMPLEX TERRORISM INVESTIGATION. THERE WERE HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF AGENTS THAT WORKED ON THIS CASE OVER MANY YEARS. IT REALLY POINTS BACK TO HOW COMPLEX THINGS WERE IN

THE ANALOG ERA. YOU ARE LOOKING AT NEWSPAPERS, YOU ARE LOOKING AT NEW LINGUISTICS, YOU ARE TAKING TIPS AND LEADS OFF A TELEPHONES AND GOING OUT AND INTERVIEWING PEOPLE IN PERSON. VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE INVESTIGATIONS WE SEE TODAY, WHICH LARGELY ARE DRIVEN BY INTERNET TRAFFIC, SOCIAL MEDIA PRESENTS, DOING POLLS OF CELL PHONES AND CREDIT CARDS, WILDLY DIFFERENT COMPARED TO WHAT WE SEE TODAY, IT’S REALLY A FORERUNNER OF WHAT IS TO COME. >> IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE INTERNET THAT WE WOULD NEVER SEE THE LIKES OF A 17 YEAR BOMBING CAMPAIGN THAT KILLED THREE PEOPLE, INJURING 23

OTHERS, THAT WAS CONDUCTED BY TED KACZYNSKI, FOR WHICH HE WAS PUT BEHIND BARS FOR FOUR LIFE SENTENCES. DO YOU THINK THAT WE WOULDN’T SEE THAT TODAY BECAUSE OF THE ABILITY OF THE FBI, DOJ, INVESTIGATORS HAVE — INTERNET TECHNOLOGY TO DO SO. >> YES, IT’S NOT JUST THE INTERNET, IT’S ALSO A LOT OF THE TECHNICAL CAPABILITY THAT CASES LIKE THIS ACTUALLY SPAWNED, WHICH IS HOW DO WE UNDERSTAND — HOW DO WE LOOK FOR FINGERPRINTS AND DIFFERENT LOCATIONS OR WAYS. THERE IS LOTS OF DIFFERENT IMAGERY INSTEAD OF THE SENSORS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND ALSO JUST IN

TERMS OF EVERYTHING FROM LICENSE PLATE READERS TO CCTV CAMERAS THAT ARE AROUND EVERY BUILDING. WILDLY DIFFERENT TODAY SO YOU WOULD HAVE A LOT MORE TIPS AND CLUES, LIKELY, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE BACK THEN, WHEN THERE WASN’T MUCH CONNECTIVITY. I THINK THE EVIDENCE IS TRAIL, IN SOME WAYS, IT’S ACTUALLY EASIER TODAY. — WITH THEM THROUGH THE INTERNET, RATHER THAN DOING IT WITH THE ANALOG METHODS. THAT’S WHAT’S WAS SO COMPLEX ABOUT THIS, HE STRETCHES ATTACKS OUT OVER MANY, MANY YEARS AND HE DID IT USING THE MAIL SYSTEM IN A WAY THAT HE JUST COULDN’T DO THOSE SORT

OF TECHNICAL FORENSICS BACK THEN. >> ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY, AGAIN,